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Its not arguing. Its called a discussion. I was under the impression that discussion is what forums are for.

and ive said it once, and ill say it again.. The size of the transisters has no effect on performance, if its still C2, then it will have the performance of C2.
Don't be ignorant. It will be on par with the current C2 CPU's, but the die shrink offers the ability to include more cache, produce less heat, and clock the cores higher. With almost every C2D already hitting well over 3Ghz, the new 45nm's stock clocked at 3.5-4Ghz should hit 4.5-5Ghz without much of a hitch. That's equivalent to a 9 or 10Ghz Netburst CPU and a 7-7.5Ghz Athlon, which you won't be seeing for quite some time. And of course at that point, AMD will come back with another tech a step ahead of Intel like this native quad opty is doing to the C2Q right now...
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Don't be ignorant. It will be on par with the current C2 CPU's, but the die shrink offers the ability to include more cache, produce less heat, and clock the cores higher. With almost every C2D already hitting well over 3Ghz, the new 45nm's stock clocked at 3.5-4Ghz should hit 4.5-5Ghz without much of a hitch. That's equivalent to a 9 or 10Ghz Netburst CPU and a 7-7.5Ghz Athlon, which you won't be seeing for quite some time. And of course at that point, AMD will come back with another tech a step ahead of intel like this native quad opty is doing to the C2Q right now...
Umm.. No, nm has no effect on performance. It WILL allow lower heat output and higher clocks, but its doesnt magically increase fps by the nm being lower.
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post #23 of 37
K8L should bring AMD back to staying competitive with C2D in terms for marchitecture. The 65nm process will allow more dies to be made so it'll allow AMD to stay competitive with C2D in terms of pricing. And since AMD is planning an aggressive shift to 45nm, that hopefully will keep things head to head with Intel.

I'm really glad to hear some news finally about that's been going on behind those locked doors of AMD. Hopefully, we'll hear more news shortly.
    
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@ hrnygoat amd doesnt just throw cpus in the bin if one is bad they disable and sell it as a single core eg CCBWE - This is an example of an E6 revision 3700+ and is commonly thought of as a Toledo core CPU with one core disabled.So if one core goes bad on a quad they will just disable 2 and sell them as dual cores
post #25 of 37
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Who cares? Intel uses huge wafers, and produces at a smaller process. If the yields suck, AMD can't sell 3-core processors afaik...

Man... If you read the article, you would notice this Opteron is built on 65nm. And no, the kentsfield is not native quad-core as you would like to believe. It's exactly the same thing that Intel did with the Pentium D. They just stuck two Pentium 4s on one chip and called it a day! In this case it was two conroes on one chip, making it "quad-core" but not truely quad-core since it the 4 cores are not packed on the same physical die.

This really caught me off guard though... Native quad-core already?!! I wasn't expecting this for awhile...
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post #26 of 37
The thing people have to remember when debating about AMD, is that AMD is only a few months behind Intel when it comes to R&D.

AMD can't ramp up production, so after switching to a new process there's a significant delay before we start seeing the chips, but their prototype technology(which we never see for months and months) is very competative to Intel's already released tech.
     
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post #27 of 37
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Umm.. No, nm has no effect on performance. It WILL allow lower heat output and higher clocks, but its doesnt magically increase fps by the nm being lower.

he is just saying it has a small die so it will clock allot higher
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Key word: Estimated.

Just an excuse to say they're better, without the actual proof
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i did not hear them say they were better then intel
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Ok well everyone is missing the point here. AMD has demonstrated their first quad core 65nm chip. Intel has been using 65nm for how long now? Over a year. Intel is currently SELLING quad cores (at a 1-5% performance loss as per Jori's statement). Big deal. Intel has working 45nm display chips. I'm not excited or impressed at all.
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