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I thought KP pots also had plastic hold downs? I could be wrong, it is quite hard to find info about different pots as LN2/DICE benching is so niche sport.

Someone should get a few and do a comparison. I would..If I could afford it..

Well certain models (F1, F1 Dark, Gemini) all have plastic hold down covers, while the new Venom does not.
post #22 of 128
Why is the HDPE hold-down a bad thing? I have a metal hold-down on the marksman and HDPE on the Kingpin pot. I actually prefer the HDPE because I can touch it when I'm switching chips mid session because it's nowhere near as cold. It doesn't actually affect the performance of the pot.
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post #23 of 128
It's just personal preference. I prefer the Alu hold down for mounting and it's nice to know it will never snap under cold or burn etc whereas the plastics are better for insulation.

I want both to ship with the new Marksman smile.gif
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Why is the HDPE hold-down a bad thing? I have a metal hold-down on the marksman and HDPE on the Kingpin pot. I actually prefer the HDPE because I can touch it when I'm switching chips mid session because it's nowhere near as cold. It doesn't actually affect the performance of the pot.

Wow you switch out chips after going cold?

I have never done this as it just seems like a condensation headache waiting to happen. I can not imagine going full pot for a few hours, then warming up and switching out cpus without any trouble, but after seeing your subs form yesterday it seems you nailed it with the 920 and then the 980X on the same board during the same session.

The only thing I can think is that neither of those chips could run full pot temps.
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980X was first, i7 965 was second, and 920 was third!

If you use a good thermal paste, you really don't need to warm things up. With Gelid GC Extreme, the pot pops right off, event at -150°C or so. It's probably not the best practice, but I've done it quite a few times without issue.
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Hey stubass,something you need to take into account when buying a Ln2 pot is what platform you will be using it on.
High mass pots are slow pull down and slow heat up but are awesome for keeping temps within a few degrees
Low mass pots are fast pull downs fast heat ups and require bit more finesse too keep temps where you would like them.
Yes both type of masses will work on all platforms but one will be easy then the other and suit your needs better,I use 3 different type of pots and all react differently.
Some will have a personal choice on a pot that does all needs
Edited by Bullant - 3/3/13 at 6:14pm
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Hey stubass,something you need to take into account when buying a Ln2 pot is what platform you will be using it on.
High mass pots are slow pull down and slow heat up but are awesome for keeping temps within a few degrees
Low mass pots are fast pull downs fast heat ups and require bit more finesse too keep temps where you would like them.
Yes both type of masses will work on all platforms but one will be easy then the other and suit your needs better,I use 3 different type of pots and all react differently.

interesting thanks for the info smile.gif . for you and everyone else what type/pot would you go with for AMD??? i decided to start with AMD since it feels easier to begin on since does not suffer from cold bugs. i also do plan to bench intel down the track. BTW end of this month i plan to buy at least one pot. still open to suggestions.
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interesting thanks for the info smile.gif . for you and everyone else what type/pot would you go with for AMD??? i decided to start with AMD since it feels easier to begin on since does not suffer from cold bugs. i also do plan to bench intel down the track. BTW end of this month i plan to buy at least one pot. still open to suggestions.
Hey,check with some of the guys here on how the Marksman performs at full pot and at steady temps,I'm sure it be good but if you decide to go Kingpin the F1dark is a big mass pot very easy to use and would be a good alrounder platform pot.He also has a pot called Venom that is awesome,but F1dark is a very easy pot to learn on.I haven't tried the Marksman but I'm sure it be good and from what I've seen the Marksman works well on dice and acetone,I only use Ln2,the F1 will sit at any temp easy good for cb,cbb,oh and I love all pots each one works differently that's what I like,most of the top guys would have a F1 dark I'm sure at some stage
Edited by Bullant - 3/4/13 at 6:36pm
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F1 Dark is a great pot, but it is pretty slow. On a platform like 2011 or 775 where you need to keep temperatures within a range so you don't cold bug then this is the perfect pot for it. It will hold a chip at temperatures of your choice all day long without you having to pour like a mad man.

It is good for full pot benching too, but if you CB or CBB then get ready to say goodbye to some of that precious LN2. It's a pot with a lot of mass, so naturally it's going to take some time to cool all of that mass. It's fine if you only have to do it once at the beginning of a session, but if you have an Ivy chip or such that has a CBB but no CB, (they're not rare) then you're going to find yourself 'wasting' a lot of ln2 pulling the pot back down. Where as something like the gemini with a fast base will pull down in about half the time and still handle the load.

That's my personal experience, I don't own a gemini myself but I have benched with one before. The F1 is my own pot, and while it's great it does get annoying having to pull it back down if you cold bug. Luckily my best 3770K has no CBB. biggrin.gif
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Yeah I only use Gemini and venom for ivy Gemini and venom run colder temps too then F1 @ full pot ,but if you are running say 2011 platform @ say - 40 F1 be the one,you do have a point tho jjjc about the warm up if you CBB on ivy.I only use Gemini and venom on ivy but F1 is good beginner pot I IMO it reacts slow,easy too get the hang of things.Gemini is for people that are more advanced in Ln2 IMO,while I think Gemini is the best pot out there (I have two of them) I've seen a few beginners buy them and not like them and then sell them ,this is why also I recommend the F1 dark
Just so everyone knows CB is cold bug,this is where a chip won't pass any colder temps,so if your CPU has a CB at say -130 this is where you want a mass pot to stay at steady temps.A CBB is cold boot bug,this is where when you boot into your windows the CPU may not like to be any cooler then say-80,colder than this and it will not boot.So if you have a CPU with CB you want steady temps so this= mass pot,
Edited by Bullant - 3/5/13 at 12:48am
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