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Will Surface be a similar high growth story?
No. The iPad was not the first tablet computer, but it had a huge first mover advantage in creating the market for a consumer, mass market tablet and has established a dominant position. There are now many innovative competitors that I think have an excellent chance to chip away at the iPad, but not seriously threaten its leading position anytime soon.

Meanwhile, Surface RT isn’t setting the world on fire, but Microsoft has a reputation for sticking with products till it gets it “right”.

To me, one of the biggest surprises of the iPad’s release was the price. The industry was convinced Apple would bring it out at about $999, so the announcement that it was going to be only $499 created a great vibe right away. 


The price isn’t right
Unfortunately for Microsoft, the rumor mill leading up to the Surface’s release got it wrong ($299) in a way that didn’t help the rollout.



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Big shocker. Its not the hardware, its the price. RT should have been 300 bucks it would have sold off of the shelves. But Ballmer in his infinite frigging wisdom decided to price it at 600 bucks with keyboard was in a word, stupid.
 
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Big shocker. Its not the hardware, its the price. RT should have been 300 bucks it would have sold off of the shelves. But Ballmer in his infinite frigging wisdom decided to price it at 600 bucks with keyboard was in a word, stupid.

If it had been cheaper, I would've gotten one instead of the Nexus 10, but instead it was the same price, without keyboard. So, I went for the nexus 10.

Also, considering this: http://www.xda-developers.com/windows_phone/rt-jailbreak-tool-lets-users-install-non-microsoft-executables-on-windows-rt/

I have no faith in Microsoft. Their artificial limit on the RT is a just a slap to the face.
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If it had been cheaper, I would've gotten one instead of the Nexus 10, but instead it was the same price, without keyboard. So, I went for the nexus 10.

Also, considering this: http://www.xda-developers.com/windows_phone/rt-jailbreak-tool-lets-users-install-non-microsoft-executables-on-windows-rt/

I have no faith in Microsoft. Their artificial limit on the RT is a just a slap to the face.


I agree, the PRO should have been the only model sold. Or at the very least x86 for RT and PRO with the RT having lesser hardware. Regardless the price was a slap in the face to many. I probably was going to buy an RT if it was 300 bucks or a PRO if it was 500. Not now, I'm waiting to see what the OEMs offer, likely it won't be priced much better unfortunately.
 
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I agree, the PRO should have been the only model sold.

This.

Personally, I'm going to wait at least a year for the next generation Surface. Higher resolution screen (hopefully) and Haswell based for faster performance and longer battery life. I'm looking for a laptop replacement in the form of a tablet with a wireless keyboard when I need it. I'll stick with my 10.1" Galaxy for "tablet only" on a non-x86 platform until then that comes out.
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If it had been cheaper, I would've gotten one instead of the Nexus 10, but instead it was the same price, without keyboard. So, I went for the nexus 10.

Also, considering this: http://www.xda-developers.com/windows_phone/rt-jailbreak-tool-lets-users-install-non-microsoft-executables-on-windows-rt/

I have no faith in Microsoft. Their artificial limit on the RT is a just a slap to the face.

Did you really think it was a completely different OS?
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That Windows/Microsoft label is poison. Most people buy Windows computers because Mac is too expensive. When faced with the choice between a Windows tablet and an Apple tablet at the same price (actually, slightly older ipad models are cheaper), the choice is fairly simple. Android/Google also has a much more positive image than Windows which makes this problem even worse. After all, who wants to deal with windows on their tablet if they don't have to?

Middling hardware specs (worse internals and screen than the Nexus 10 or ipad 4 despite the superior chassis design) don't help this situation either.
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While the price for the Surface is kinda high compared to the competition, I don't see any other OEMs rushing to bring out significantly cheaper versions. All the RT tablets I've seen are over $500. If Microsoft had undercut them by pricing the Surface at $300 or even $400, I doubt they would be very happy.

However... what is it about an ARM tablet that makes it more expensive than an x86 ultrabook? The Asus S200E ultrabook with a core i3 and 11.6" screen was available for $400 only a few days ago.
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While the price for the Surface is kinda high compared to the competition, I don't see any other OEMs rushing to bring out significantly cheaper versions. All the RT tablets I've seen are over $500. If Microsoft had undercut them by pricing the Surface at $300 or even $400, I doubt they would be very happy.

However... what is it about an ARM tablet that makes it more expensive than an x86 ultrabook? The Asus S200E ultrabook with a core i3 and 11.6" screen was available for $400 only a few days ago.

And they already pissed off a lot of manufacturers by keeping the Surface on the down low until launch.
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Big shocker. Its not the hardware, its the price. RT should have been 300 bucks it would have sold off of the shelves. But Ballmer in his infinite frigging wisdom decided to price it at 600 bucks with keyboard was in a word, stupid.

Another anti microsoft post and topic.
Edited by xoleras - 1/27/13 at 8:34am
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Another anti microsoft post and topic from darkpriest667. Shocker there! Sounds like you have an agenda.

He does have a point though. The RT has a Tegra 3 chip in it and a res of 1366x768. Other tablets that size are pushing resolutions over 4x that size. The Tegra 3 is the same chip that powers the Nexus 7 and a host of smartphones and tablets, and all of those products are cheaper than the Surface RT. Microsoft is trying to sell their hardware/software combination as a premium package, and since they have no market share right now, they're not in a position to do so. Microsoft is trying to out do Apple at their own game, and in this case, it just doesn't work.
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