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post #31 of 49
I'm so tired of the web browsing experience on the iPad.....effin' awful. I can't wait until the others finally pass them up. Surface looks interesting, but perhaps not truly great until the 2nd iteration.
post #32 of 49
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Yeah, I don't think cost is as much of an influence on the purchase then what most people think it is. If it was, then Linux would be the most popular second to WIndows as you get the same hardware for 100 bucks less. And likewise, there is, what, a 5% market of Window's based rigs sold that are 2000+. There is a lot more to Windows machines then just being cheaper. But in terms of the competition in the tablet world, I agree that the tablet should be a heck of a lot cheaper. They are being sold like Apple products without offering more. The surface pro, as said, should be in the 500-600 range as it would absolutely dominate iOS. iOS is still growing support for basic browsing while a full windows OS already has well over a decade of applications already mastered. The surface pro would give the user a true desktop and browser experience without any hickups like all the tablets these days do. Heck, most of them have to offload the browsing experience onto other applications in order to work.

Most mac purchases are either personal preference, user ignorance (and man alive, when you talk to the average university student on why they bought a mac it really shows), or a small select niche of programs that some users use; which, frankly, are somewhat forced onto them because they are one of the few standards in the media industry.

Actually, most OEM Linux computers are more expensive than their Windows counterparts. This is most likely due to lack of bloatware for Linux and having to pay for an in-house staff of Linux support crew instead of just bouncing it to Microsoft. Only people that build their own computers would see Linux as the cheaper option.

The Surface Pro has no true competitor in terms of OS, and can be priced as a premium product. It's competitors are other Windows 8 based tablets, at least until Apple releases OSX tablets. It's Windows RT that needs to be competitive with iOS and Android.
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The Surface Pro has no true competitor in terms of OS, and can be priced as a premium product. It's competitors are other Windows 8 based tablets, at least until Apple releases OSX tablets. It's Windows RT that needs to be competitive with iOS and Android.

Truer words have never been spoken. Windows RT and surface needs to be adjusted a LOT to be comeptetive with iOS and android products like you mentioned, right now those offerings are considerably better than the surface RT.

I think the Surface Pro will stand out, however - i'm really looking forward to it. To those saying it should be 500$, that's kind of ridiculous because ultrabooks with the same or worse specs are considerably more expensive than 500$; even the macbook air 11" which has worse specs and only a 1368*768 resolution costs more. Pretty much the surface pro has everything an ultrabook has, except it is in a tablet form factor - I think it will be a nice product. About the only fault I can think of, is that it is rumored to not include the keyboard cover by default...and it should.
post #34 of 49
Moved...Not news. This is an opinion.
post #35 of 49
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whoa whoa whoa hold it there, most people don't play PC games. That is not a huge reason that determines this

When I said "They play more games." I didn't mean that most of the Windows users play games. I was referring to the fact that the Windows operating system WILL play more games than the Mac operating system. Weather people choose to play games or not is up to them, but the fact remains, Windows has the capability to play more game titles than Mac.
post #36 of 49
I'm not so sure if the Surface RT would ever have survived as an iPad competitor - it's just sort of a niche device. Simply being able to run a full, non-reduced version of Office is an enormous selling point to a lot of people. Not to me, and not to a lot of Overclock.net's forumgoers, but like I said: To a niche.

It does seem like Windows RT is kind of going to fail outright in a way, but it's still good that Microsoft made a more touch-friendly system. MUI may yet survive, even if it's on x86 computers.

I'm still looking forward to the Pro, and I think there may really be a market for hybrid devices. Laptops were always more popular than I expected, and look at all the people bringing keyboards with their iPads; they want to use it as a full computer, but they don't want to be quite so saddled down all the time with a two-flap, heavy device (laptop). Sometimes the screen and basic input is all you need, especially if you're just watching a TV show.

It's a specific market though, and for a lot of people's needs I'd still say the Nexus or even the iPad are better buys; certainly cheaper for the most part.
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While I agree the RT needs to be far cheaper, I don't have much issue with the surface pro price. If you look at the specs -- the price is completely in line with the macbook air, and the surface pro has better specs in many respects. Particularly the full HD screen versus the 1366x768 of the macbook air 11inch.

Even ultrabooks from 2012 that are similarly priced - most of them are using sub HD resolution with similar specs (4GB ram, 128GB ssd).

I think i'll wait for the haswell version but I think the surface pro will be great...definitely want one. As for the RT...let's hope MS gets a clue and upgrades the hardware substantially. The nexus 10 completely outclasses it with a 2560x1600 screen *and* costs the same as the Surface RT - doesn't make sense.


No Micro SD slot on the Nexus 10, no support for MS Office, not sure how to compare it to the Surface.

I agree that the pricing is out of whack. Even if the Surface RT were $399 (same as the Nexus 10, IPad 4, and cheaper than the Asus Infinity) it would have been a better seller.

I came very close to buying one just to have MS Office on a tablet (and expandable memory for travelling video playback). This is where the Surface is ahead of the IPad and Nexus 10.

MS just got a bit greedy though...
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No Micro SD slot on the Nexus 10, no support for MS Office, not sure how to compare it to the Surface.

I agree that the pricing is out of whack. Even if the Surface RT were $399 (same as the Nexus 10, IPad 4, and cheaper than the Asus Infinity) it would have been a better seller.

I came very close to buying one just to have MS Office on a tablet (and expandable memory for travelling video playback). This is where the Surface is ahead of the IPad and Nexus 10.

MS just got a bit greedy though...

You don't need MS Office, there are plenty of office apps that open and save MS office doc types.. But the SD card slot thing is a hammer to the gonads, for sure. USB OTG kind of gets around that but it's still a pain.
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I actually do need MS Office. The files I use for work are fairly complex (especially excel and powerpoint files). I have yet to try a 3rd party android or mac app that perfectly retains format and cell positioning (and I have tried just about everything).

For the casual user, Pages or Docs to Go is fine, for the power user like myself, only the original will suffice.
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I purchased a surface on launch day and still couldn't even be happier. I returned a Galaxy Note 10.1 It was a great purchase and I use it every single day.
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