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I also jumped on Windows 8 tablet bandwagon. I love my Asus TF810C, the stylus is amazing, I can easily take notes or just draw when I'm bored. The pen also acts like a mouse pointer, so you can easily play older point and click games (like Heroes of Might and Magic 3 or 4 for example). Flash/Java support is flawless. Finally a touch device that lets me play videos on YouTube without 3rd party software.
The resolution is low, but I have no issues with that, the screen is beautiful (besides the performance of Atom is not great, so lower res = less performance hit).

The only downside is few bugs and no updates at all. Some people are having isues with their tablet and no way to update (unless they use updates from other manufacturers). Mine is working almost perfect though. Doesn't sound at all like Asus, hopefully they will release some drivers soon.
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I actually do need MS Office. The files I use for work are fairly complex (especially excel and powerpoint files). I have yet to try a 3rd party android or mac app that perfectly retains format and cell positioning (and I have tried just about everything).

For the casual user, Pages or Docs to Go is fine, for the power user like myself, only the original will suffice.

Tried Polaris Office? Keeps documents perfectly for me. I use it on the way to Uni to do some work occasionally.
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I agree. The performance coming out of an x86 OS with an Atom or Brazos chip just completely destroys any tablet out there. Benchmarks might have some of the tablets outperforming these chips, but frankly, with the languages these chips support, they offer much more efficiency in simple and daily tasks while giving the user so much more standards to work with.

Just to point out, A15 is faster per clock than Atom and probably comes close to brazos in several performance areas. Language support is a non-issue. Applications that need performance will use a C variant no matter which architecture (and C compilation has been supported on ARM chips for around 20 years). The major language implementations for every scripting language I can think of are done in C to get closer to hardware. Compile the C for ARM and there's no problem. Here's a list of ARM supported languages. I specifically looked up the most popular languages according to langpop.com.
C, Java, C++, PHP, Javascript, Python, C#, Perl, SQL, Ruby, Shell, asm, actionscript, Obj-C, Lisp, Scheme, haskell and a few others I didn't feel like looking up. The languages listed account for probably 95% of all programmers. There's not a language problem with ARM chips. The only problem that exists is porting x86 optimized code to ARM, but that's not a problem if the programmers did the smart thing and isolated the architecture-specific parts from the rest of the code.
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I don't agree with that. Most people buy Windows computers because of a number of reasons, but aren't limited to: They play more games. They run the software that they are used to from work (which is where most of the population (ie those not between the ages of 8 and 24) learned their computer skills from. I don't think that cost has all that much to do with why people buy Windows computers over Mac's. The reality is, outside of many schools and certain businesses (usually graphics related), Mac's aren't common and people don't want to tie themselves to something that isn't everywhere and used by the majority of the population of the US, which is partly why Linux hasn't taken off.
Agreed.

Work software is supported by OSX. Game support is getting better for hardcore games (which don't influence majority of computer buyers) and flash games or social games are the most popular and are cross platform. Apple has a much better reputation (deserved or not) and people who are looking to spend more than $1000 are quite likely to buy from Apple.

Your arguments for Windows apply surprisingly well in the opposite direction for tablets. iOS is the name to beat in gaming on tablets. Games almost always release there first and are much more optimized since there's only a couple different targets. iOS also offers a much better group of applications to choose from when compared to WindowsRT. People interested in work would be well advised to steer clear of tablets of any kind as even hardware keyboards (such as the one on a transformer) are still not comfortable for a full 8 hours of typing while the cramped trackpads are inferior and touch is fatiguing (due to the positioning of the tablet with respect to the keyboard).

Those who buy into branding will buy an ipad (or Android) device because the brand has little or no decidedly negative associations while the Windows/Microsoft name has been dragged through the mud with poor performance, malware, hard to use, and other extremely negative associations. Those who don't buy into branding would still be advised to wait until the WindowsRT market matures before committing their hard earned money.
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Everyone's talking about pricing, which makes sense, but the huge issue is Microsoft can't be aggressive with it. They'd undercut all the OEM's and risk alienating them further.

It would be the equivalent of Google making the Nexus 7 and Nexus 10 insanely cheaper than equivalent tablets and taking it a step further and manufacturing it themselves.
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I agree if I were developing a game, from a business point of view I would probably develop it for iOS. It's just where all the money is now. (The only counter-argument being that since it's such a huge market, you are going to have oceans of competition)

But as a gamer, I would much rather go for a Windows tablet. The main reason being that it seems you could likely rely on 90% of your Windows 8 Store-buyers to have a keyboard and/or touchscreen. I've gotta say that on my smartphone, while the graphical capabilities have never been lacking, the only exciting game I've found to have somewhat notable gameplay is Infinity Blade. There have been some neat platformers that kept the number of buttons pretty low, so that your fingers won't stray much, but what became obvious fast to me is how much "touchscreen-only" limits your game's capabilities.
With a keyboard available, you might be able to make a much more in-depth game. And if you're getting an x86 Windows tablet and are willing to bring a mouse into the equation, there are no more limits really.
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Yeah, pretty much i'm not a fan of the Surface RT, who in their right mind would buy it over the ipad for the same price? And then you look at excellent tablets such as the nexus 7/10, Kindle Fire HD, it does not make sense to get a surface RT.

So now that I'm thinking rationally, I agree. Forgive the momentary outburst.

I do think the surface pro will be an excellent product however - it is an ultrabook in a tablet form factor, and has better specs than the more expensive macbook air. I definitely want one.

anyone with the "right mind' would buy it over the ipad. I hate apple now after using anything with ios or macs with all their limitations I am so over it. And yes I just sold my ipad 3 which i've had since the day it came out., i've had many iphones, and my gf has an imac. Apple needs to start stepping up their game or they are going to be surpassed sooner or later. Steve Jobs has to be rolling in his grave after the release of the crappy iphone 5

Also I too would like a surface pro or equivalent, but I feel like the starting price should not be $900.
Edited by jakemfbacon - 1/30/13 at 4:54pm
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I think in some ways, people just underestimate the value of having a good web browser available on a tablet. AND, you can use a keyboard with this one. When you think about the common use cases being internet browsing, office, and E-mail for a lot of computer users, the Surface just does that stuff -really well- with just about the only full tablet OS competing with the iPad. Granted, I won't bother with the RT because I do a lot more than that stuff.
I get the case about lack of apps, but even for the iPhone I got from work, I tend to install a bunch of interesting-looking apps from them, then end up hardly using them. Just having a good, compatible website is usually enough for whatever service I need. There are certainly exceptions for more integrated systems.
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I think in some ways, people just underestimate the value of having a good web browser available on a tablet. AND, you can use a keyboard with this one. When you think about the common use cases being internet browsing, office, and E-mail for a lot of computer users, the Surface just does that stuff -really well- with just about the only full tablet OS competing with the iPad. Granted, I won't bother with the RT because I do a lot more than that stuff.
I get the case about lack of apps, but even for the iPhone I got from work, I tend to install a bunch of interesting-looking apps from them, then end up hardly using them. Just having a good, compatible website is usually enough for whatever service I need. There are certainly exceptions for more integrated systems.
This is pretty much the reason I got the Surface RT. I compared both the Nexus 10 and the Surface. After tons of reading, videos and actually trying them both I went with the Surface; After months of use I don't regret it one bit. Like you I hardly use any of the apps I install in any of my mobile devices. I end up mainly browsing and watching media.
Edited by MakubeX - 2/1/13 at 4:52am
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I want a Surface RT but not at $500....
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