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After 4.6, every chip starts to needs some serious vCore to get it going, it is breaking a 'Barrier' as it starts to get into 1GHz + from stock. Most chips will stop at about 4.5 - 4.60 due to it simply being too much. A 3770k will problably only need 1.20-1.30 to get to 4.5, if not less, but it will need 1.40-1.5+ to get over the 5.0 barrier.

At 1.45+ the CPU life starts to get shortened, this is due to extreme over-voltage. And the next obstacle is temperature, a 212Evo will get the CPU to 4.5 with reasonable temperatures, but after that the temperatures will rise quickly and you will need a cooler like a H80i, H100i or a Noctura NH-D14 to get near the 4.8-4.8 mark, but to get to 5.0, considering you got a good chip, you will most likely need a custom open-loop water cooler.

Ivy Bridge CPUs also have another thing limiting you, the IHS, or also know as the silver heatsink that is on the top part of the CPU, Intel made poor decision and filled the inside with thermal paste unlike the previous chips which used solder to unite the parts, changing it will let you get to about 4.6+ with much better temperatures as the thermal paste will simply not be good enough to get higher. The only option is delidding your CPU, this is a dangerous action and requires a very still hand, there have been many cases of the person pushing it too far and just make contact with the inside can kill you chip.

But you need a high quality PSU with a bit of headroom to get past 4.7, A 4.8GHz 3770k will pull about 120w depending on the amount of vCore used. That is a bit more than 20w more than the stock 99w, And after that it will only get more power hungry, it will probably pull near 130-145w at 5.0, that is almost 50% more than when we started off at 3.5 .

A good motherboard is also required, cheaper boards pack cheaper VRM's, these are the little capacitors/regulators that feed you chip with the voltage it needs, a better motherboard will require less volts to achieve a certain CPU speed, thus reducing temperatures. Cheaper VRM's tend to overheat and kill the board when the CPU is overvolted, you can see accounts of this happening with lower end MSI motherboards.

I hope you take the above into consideration and also, Sandy Bridge does not need delidding as it uses flux-less solder. But most importantly Every Chip Is Diffrent! Chips from the same batch will always be different, some may get over 4.9+ and some will struggle to hit 4.0, Good luck in making your decision.



Thanks to WR6133 and Twocables To Help me edit This
Edited by PedroC1999 - 1/28/13 at 2:05pm
     
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Well, I have to agree that the motherboard may be overkill.  A ~$179 board could be just as good.

Pretty much this.

I wouldn't spend more on the motherboard than on the processor itself. But that's just me.

My picks would either be the Z77X-UP4 or UP5. Can't get much better than those two in the VRM department. Even superior to the Maximus V you listed.
Edited by Shift. - 1/28/13 at 1:19pm
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Is my lump of info any good?

 

When I saw it, I felt like I drove into a big concrete wall.  :)

 

I'm just trying to find a fun and light-hearted way to say that maybe it needs to be split up into a few paragraphs.

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Sorry, my phone isnt very good at dealling with paragraphs, does it look better now?
     
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Sorry, my phone isnt very good at dealling with paragraphs, does it look better now?

 

Oh yeah, that's nice.  Your phone deserves a treat for that.  :)

 

I admit that I've been awake too long to read it and process it though.

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It is the phone in my sig if you interested, please review it when your out of 'Zombie' mode (jks) I think it is one of my best pieces of info so far
     
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It is the phone in my sig if you interested, please review it when your out of 'Zombie' mode (jks) I think it is one of my best pieces of info so far

 

lol now that you mention it, I do feel kind of like a zombie right now.  It's kind of fun.  I've been awake for over 24 hours.  I think I'm on #27 and counting now.  I'd go to bed, but it's cold in my room (I'm not in it) and I just put my space heater in there.  I waited too long.  :)

 

I'm sorry for the off-topic, str8maniac.  I think we're just jamming until you post something new.  hehe

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The longes I have stayed up is 32 hours, I was on a sponsoured stay awake, thing is I had a football match day before and had a bad nights sleep so... I slep for 15.5 hours staright afterwords... smile.gif
     
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The longes I have stayed up is 32 hours, I was on a sponsoured stay awake, thing is I had a football match day before and had a bad nights sleep so... I slep for 15.5 hours staright afterwords... smile.gif

 

Omg, that must've felt amazing to sleep that long.  lol

 

I think the longest I stayed up was about 42 hours.  I was approximately 18 years old, hanging out with new friends, and I didn't want to sleep.  Come to think of it, I think we all crashed for a couple of hours at one of their houses (I think we were taking a break without really trying to), so I guess it wasn't 42 straight hours - but it felt like it.  That was fun.  Doing that today would be, well, not so easy and not so fun I think.  lol

 

I admit that I'm starting to feel bad for being off-topic this long.

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i5-2500K @ 4.5GHz (1.368-1.384V fixed voltage) ASUS P8P67 EVO B3 (UEFI ver. 1850) GTX 780 ASUS DirectCU II (1228 / 6300, 1.180V) G.SKILL Ripjaws X 8GB (2 x 4GB) 1866MHz, CL9 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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