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Air Cooling advice for an FX8350

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Hello fellow Overclockers,

I just upgraded my machine with a 8350 matched with a Sabertooth motherboard. I currently have the stock fan running on the CPU, but I need advice selecting a good Air Cooling replacement. Money is not really an issue, but I want to stick to air, because my case becomes really crowded with a closed circuit system (I own a Antec Kuhler 920 - awesome cooling system but really cramps up the space in my Antec DF-35). My main use for the rig will be gaming, programming and some overclocking (aiming to reach either 4.5 or 4.7 in the near future - once my RAM has undergone the upgrade as well).

Currently the ones I've found are the Zalman CNPS10X Performa and the Cooler Master TPC 812 Vertical Vapor Chamber.

I'm open to any suggestions and thank you in advance smile.gif

nvspace126
post #2 of 29
or you could just get an h50...
post #3 of 29
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Is the pump as big as the one on the Kuhler 920, because I thought they were similar products? That's my main issue, because it's usually in conflict with my cases top fan also covers ATX connector.
post #4 of 29
Okay ill copy paste what ive said before. (too lazy to write a new novel biggrin.gif )

Okay let me tell you this; The H100i ( or any Corsair H series) is overpriced for the cooling it gives, its notorious for weird pump noises. its loud. more parts, more things that can go wrong. If you dont want to make a custom loop i strongly advice you to get the Thermalright Silver Arrow SB-E, Phanteks TC14PE, or the noctua one that you've been talking about.

All of the mentioned coolers above perform quite similarly. If you want the BEST OF THE BEST. Get the Phanteks TC14PE and get some high end Thermalright fans like the Thermalright 141.

Some of the best air cooler setups can outperform h100's if you have proper airflow in your case.

Also make sure the cooler you decide to buy can fit inside your case.
 
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AMD FX 8350 @ 4.8 - 2700NB ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R1.0 SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7970 1220/1700 G.Skill Ripjaws X @ 2400 10-12-12-28 
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Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD 550/510 (Boot) Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB (Stuffs) Phanteks PH-TC14PE Cooled by 1 NF-F12 and 2 NF-... Windows 7 64 bit 
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Benq G2420HD Steelseries 6GV2 Silver power SP-S850M Lian Li T60B Test bench. 
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Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD 550/510 (Boot) Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB (Stuffs) Phanteks PH-TC14PE Cooled by 1 NF-F12 and 2 NF-... Windows 7 64 bit 
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Thanks for the advice and I'll look into the Phanteks or the Thermalright. My case should be good length wise, my big issue with the closed liquid systems was the tubes and USB cables made a mess inside the case, which is more manageable with the Fans. What kind of temperatures should I expect? (Also sorry for the late reply, work has been crazy)
post #6 of 29
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Thanks for the advice and I'll look into the Phanteks or the Thermalright. My case should be good length wise, my big issue with the closed liquid systems was the tubes and USB cables made a mess inside the case, which is more manageable with the Fans. What kind of temperatures should I expect? (Also sorry for the late reply, work has been crazy)

You should expect temperatures close to an H100 if you have good air flow in your case, if not even better temps.
 
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Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD 550/510 (Boot) Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB (Stuffs) Phanteks PH-TC14PE Cooled by 1 NF-F12 and 2 NF-... Windows 7 64 bit 
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Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD 550/510 (Boot) Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB (Stuffs) Phanteks PH-TC14PE Cooled by 1 NF-F12 and 2 NF-... Windows 7 64 bit 
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Benq G2420HD Steelseries 6GV2 Silver power SP-S850M Lian Li T60B Test bench. 
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my big issue with the closed liquid systems was the tubes and USB cables made a mess inside the case, which is more manageable with the Fans.
I would worry more about CLC dependability. smile.gif
Their failure rate is not good..expecially Corsair Hydro series in last year or so. All kinds of problems with pumps, fans, firmware, quality control... and many of these problems have not been resolved.. some only marginally with Rube Goldberg bandages and some not at all.
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I would worry more about CLC dependability. smile.gif
Their failure rate is not good..expecially Corsair Hydro series in last year or so. All kinds of problems with pumps, fans, firmware, quality control... and many of these problems have not been resolved.. some only marginally with Rube Goldberg bandages and some not at all.

I never had failures on my Antec 920, but there are quite a few annoying and slightly worrying things with the unit. One is the drivers and the difficulty to have them running properly. It was quite difficult to make everything function and it took a bit of tweaking. The drivers for CPU cooling system should work instantelly and not require you tweak around the system to make everyting function. The most annoying thing is the connection system to the board, which makes the BIOS believe that there is no active CPU fan working.

As for the Air Cooling fan, now I have to wait for pay day thumb.gif . Also, is there a realiable software to calculate temperatures? I currently have CPU-Z and the ASUS software that came with my Sabertooth, but I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is.
post #9 of 29
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Also, is there a realiable software to calculate temperatures? I currently have CPU-Z and the ASUS software that came with my Sabertooth, but I'm not entirely sure how accurate it is.

Absolutely. Core Temp is pretty popular around as well as HWMonitor. Both of those programs should be able to display the temps of all of your components.
post #10 of 29
Corsair has the worst CLC record. Antec seem to be pretty good as so most others... Even those that build for Corsair.

It will be interesting to see 5,7, 10 years on how many CLC are still working compared to quality air coolers like Phanteks, Thermalright , Noctua, BeQuiet, etc. I know most fans will last at least 4 years and many even longer. And it's easy to replace cooler fans if they do fail. I have an original Thermalrigtht Ultra 120 (4pipe) and Cogage Arrow. Both work as good as new. The Ultra has a dark patina on the fins and pipes are almost black but it works as good as new. Arrow may not be as shiny as a new cooler but still looks good and works as good as new ones do.

Ranger is right. The top twin tower coolers and now some of the single tower coolers are as good as CLC. Although there are some new CLC coolers coming out like Nzxt Kraken X60 and X40 sized for 140mm fans. Will be interesting to see how they perform under extreme loads.
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