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I like technology, but honestly, I would never buy a car that drives itself. To me, it's pointless. I *ENJOY* driving. Not only driving, but riding as well. That why I own several motorcycles.

Owning a car that drives itself is a waste. Why pay all that money up front (or monthly) and pay the maintenance on the vehicle (gas, oil, repair, insurance, etc) only to NOT drive it yourself? Why not hire a taxi instead?
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I like technology, but honestly, I would never buy a car that drives itself. To me, it's pointless. I *ENJOY* driving. Not only driving, but riding as well. That why I own several motorcycles.

Owning a car that drives itself is a waste. Why pay all that money up front (or monthly) and pay the maintenance on the vehicle (gas, oil, repair, insurance, etc) only to NOT drive it yourself? Why not hire a taxi instead?

If a taxi was always sitting there in my garage waiting for me to go some where at a moment's notice 24/7 I would...and not cost more than buying my own car and the gas to get were I am going. I don't even want to think about what the six hour drive to my inlaws would cost in a taxi.

I used to have fun driving...but now days my cars are just tools to accomplish a task.
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If a taxi was always sitting there in my garage waiting for me to go some where at a moment's notice 24/7 I would...and not cost more than buying my own car and the gas to get were I am going. I don't even want to think about what the six hour drive to my inlaws would cost in a taxi.

I used to have fun driving...but now days my cars are just tools to accomplish a task.

True, I'm sure that like you, some people would relish this sort of thing, just like some people, like me, wouldn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

To each their own. The technology doesn't scare me, as some people have accused others of doing (hence the Luddite comments), I just personally enjoy driving and riding.
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True, I'm sure that like you, some people would relish this sort of thing, just like some people, like me, wouldn't want to touch it with a 10 foot pole.

To each their own. The technology doesn't scare me, as some people have accused others of doing (hence the Luddite comments), I just personally enjoy driving and riding.

My Luddite comment isn't at anyone here...it was at the population in general. Individual persons have the capacity to be intelligent...people as groups are often stupid because you can play on their emotions and use that to warp them into ignoring reason.

If you enjoy riding/driving that is fine...just don't get in the way of progress. I will sympathize that this progress will likely through the "tyranny of a majority" make things difficult for people who do enjoy driving/riding as it will likely lead to a road system that can not allow human drivers. That's long term and likely far after we die. Sadly I'm probably going to have to deal with stressful and risky trips to and from locations as it will be maybe half a decade before this becomes consumer viable. frown.gif
     
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Maybe the reason i dislike this idea is just the feeling of being a sardine in traffic.
I just can't imagine what would happen during a hurricane or flood or blizzard.
And no technology out there is going to be able to drive thru that if it's bad enough.

I also enjoy driving either on motorcycle or in my jeep.
I still personally like older cars and trucks because of their structure and ease to work on.
Working on my honda that has sensors in every little thing and overlapping panels just make simple tasks more cumbersome and time consuming, and I can't imagine driver-less cars doing this any better.
Sure they may save lives and certain costs, but I can also imagine there will be special proprietary parts that no one can or is allowed to work on, which just makes you have to spend more money on repairs or replacements. I'd much rather fix them myself.

It's all fine and dandy as long as there is not further economic stagnation

And my perspective is not exactly inline with the "Luddite" comment... we have no Napoleonic War to make people get violent over this sort of thing. Times were MUCH more desperate then. To an extent, this has more in common with an Apple vs. Android argument--it's kind of up to the user and what they prefer.

Bureaucratic regulation... that is what prevents big ideas from gaining ground quickly in this country.
Those insurance companies aren't going to go quickly or quietly

It just smells like another electric-car flop to me, or the flying cars, but that is just me
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Maybe the reason i dislike this idea is just the feeling of being a sardine in traffic.
I just can't imagine what would happen during a hurricane or flood or blizzard.
And no technology out there is going to be able to drive thru that if it's bad enough.

I also enjoy driving either on motorcycle or in my jeep.
I still personally like older cars and trucks because of their structure and ease to work on.
Working on my honda that has sensors in every little thing and overlapping panels just make simple tasks more cumbersome and time consuming, and I can't imagine driver-less cars doing this any better.
Sure they may save lives and certain costs, but I can also imagine there will be special proprietary parts that no one can or is allowed to work on, which just makes you have to spend more money on repairs or replacements. I'd much rather fix them myself.

It's all fine and dandy as long as there is not further economic stagnation

And my perspective is not exactly inline with the "Luddite" comment... we have no Napoleonic War to make people get violent over this sort of thing. Times were MUCH more desperate then. To an extent, this has more in common with an Apple vs. Android argument--it's kind of up to the user and what they prefer.

Bureaucratic regulation... that is what prevents big ideas from gaining ground quickly in this country.
Those insurance companies aren't going to go quickly or quietly

It just smells like another electric-car flop to me, or the flying cars, but that is just me

I would think that a car that uses laser sensors to "see" the environment would be much better than a set of eyes in limited visibility. Especially if they took it farther and made the road communicate with the car. People could be evacuating a hurricane at 80mph rather than the traffic jams that happen now.

Unless it is a vehicle made before 2002 or so...I wouldn't even attempt to work on it any way...not even a simple water pump replacement. Cars are made so crazy these days that almost nothing can be worked on without pulling the engine which involves unplugging about five hundred wires. I miss the days of pulling a truck into the machine shop and overhauling it in about four hours, but that ship has sailed off a long time ago.
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It just smells like another electric-car flop to me, or the flying cars, but that is just me

Funny you mention the electric car and the self driving car.

Both have been around, to one degree or another, for a VERY LONG time.

Electric cars have been around since late 1800's. An experimental ones did 62mph as early as 1899 and there was a fleet of electric taxi's in New York in 1897.

The first autonomous car was made in 1939. Granted not as advanced as this, and it needed a special road, but still, it was a start. In the 1980's Mercedes had a camera driven one.

30 to 100 years later, we are really no closer to having either as a "practical reality". Novelty, sure, but they are still VERY FAR away from being an every day sight and certainly not something that will replace normal cars.
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Funny you mention the electric car and the self driving car.

Both have been around, to one degree or another, for a VERY LONG time.

Electric cars have been around since late 1800's. An experimental ones did 62mph as early as 1899 and there was a fleet of electric taxi's in New York in 1897.

The first autonomous car was made in 1939. Granted not as advanced as this, and it needed a special road, but still, it was a start. In the 1980's Mercedes had a camera driven one.

30 to 100 years later, we are really no closer to having either as a "practical reality". Novelty, sure, but they are still VERY FAR away from being an every day sight and certainly not something that will replace normal cars.

...there are automated cars driving TODAY in normal traffic in the real-world. The US Big Three expects to sell them in the next 5-10 years. It's not very far away... it's almost here.

They don't need "every day sight" because they can see futher, more accurately, in the dark, through fog, through rain, etc.
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...there are automated cars driving TODAY in normal traffic in the real-world. The US Big Three expects to sell them in the next 5-10 years. It's not very far away... it's almost here.

They don't need "every day sight" because they can see futher, more accurately, in the dark, through fog, through rain, etc.

I think they meant that they won't be common place for a long time to come...which is probably right. Even if they went on sale tomorrow it would take a good 30 years to get them to be common place...UNLESS they could be purchased very cheaply. I know I plan to be begging my wife to get one as soon as they are available...I don't care if I have to shell out $120,000 for a stupid car.

Though honestly I see the DoT coming in and helping it along...maybe we'll get some good self driving car tax breaks or something.
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I find it really funny that people don't want to put their lives in the hand of technology. Every time you get in your car you rely on technology. When you fly on an airplane the pilot does almost nothing. Most accidents aren't caused by failures in automobiles, they are caused by human error. Drunk drivers, sleepy drivers, people having heart attacks at the wheel, etc etc all go away. I bet 80%+ of all current accidents are caused by human error, and I bet that number would be reduced by 99% if everyone transitioned to driverless cars. I wouldn't be surprised if in 25-35 years it was illegal to drive a car on the street.
less then 1% of car accidents are cuased by vehicle malfunctions, thats a damn impressive record, and this wasn't true 30 years ago
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