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I would think that a car that uses laser sensors to "see" the environment would be much better than a set of eyes in limited visibility. Especially if they took it farther and made the road communicate with the car. People could be evacuating a hurricane at 80mph rather than the traffic jams that happen now.

Unless it is a vehicle made before 2002 or so...I wouldn't even attempt to work on it any way...not even a simple water pump replacement. Cars are made so crazy these days that almost nothing can be worked on without pulling the engine which involves unplugging about five hundred wires. I miss the days of pulling a truck into the machine shop and overhauling it in about four hours, but that ship has sailed off a long time ago.

I work on cars everyday, fixing and repairng these unrepairable engines etc, the electrical stuff isn't a big deal.
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I like technology, but honestly, I would never buy a car that drives itself. To me, it's pointless. I *ENJOY* driving. Not only driving, but riding as well. That why I own several motorcycles.

Owning a car that drives itself is a waste. Why pay all that money up front (or monthly) and pay the maintenance on the vehicle (gas, oil, repair, insurance, etc) only to NOT drive it yourself? Why not hire a taxi instead?

You know whats funny, a little over a hundred years ago I'm 99.9% sure someone said the same thing about horses. In the future I'm sure you'll still be able to drive, there will be specific roads/trails/tracks where you can go drive if you enjoy it. Just like today, people can own horses and ride them as they please, but they can't be on the road with people that moved on with technology. It's funny how the comparison of horses and wagons to cars hold up, isn't it?

Cars are an inefficient means of travel period. Train, bus, plane, etc are all much more efficient if properly done. The only advantage cars have(for travel) is that you 100% dictate where you go. If cars are to remain viable options of travel, they are going to have to become a lot more efficient. You may live in a little town where traffic and cars still isn't bad, but eventually everywhere will be bad. We need to plan for the future, when we can't have everyone on the roads in the fashion we do atm.
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You know whats funny, a little over a hundred years ago I'm 99.9% sure someone said the same thing about horses. In the future I'm sure you'll still be able to drive, there will be specific roads/trails/tracks where you can go drive if you enjoy it. Just like today, people can own horses and ride them as they please, but they can't be on the road with people that moved on with technology. It's funny how the comparison of horses and wagons to cars hold up, isn't it?

Cars are an inefficient means of travel period. Train, bus, plane, etc are all much more efficient if properly done. The only advantage cars have(for travel) is that you 100% dictate where you go. If cars are to remain viable options of travel, they are going to have to become a lot more efficient. You may live in a little town where traffic and cars still isn't bad, but eventually everywhere will be bad. We need to plan for the future, when we can't have everyone on the roads in the fashion we do atm.

Clearly you've never been in Amish-country thumb.gif
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post #114 of 196
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Clearly you've never been in Amish-country thumb.gif

Or anywhere with plenty of horses fr that matter.
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You know whats funny, a little over a hundred years ago I'm 99.9% sure someone said the same thing about horses. In the future I'm sure you'll still be able to drive, there will be specific roads/trails/tracks where you can go drive if you enjoy it. Just like today, people can own horses and ride them as they please, but they can't be on the road with people that moved on with technology. It's funny how the comparison of horses and wagons to cars hold up, isn't it?

Cars are an inefficient means of travel period. Train, bus, plane, etc are all much more efficient if properly done. The only advantage cars have(for travel) is that you 100% dictate where you go. If cars are to remain viable options of travel, they are going to have to become a lot more efficient. You may live in a little town where traffic and cars still isn't bad, but eventually everywhere will be bad. We need to plan for the future, when we can't have everyone on the roads in the fashion we do atm.

Maybe, now if you actually show me where someone credible said that 30 years after the car was out that "it was just a fad and horses will always be the dominant form of transportation", then you might have a valid parallel. What you are basically saying is that people in the time of horses said that cars would never take off. Well, the problem is, both of these ideas have been around for at least 70 years, and really around for 30 years. And 100, 70, and 30 years later, they STILL aren't very common at all. Hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.


I never said they were very efficient. If anything, you pointing that out sort of proves my point. People, especially Americans, love their cars. They have an IRRATIONAL attachment to them. If they were rational about transportation, we would ditch them for better forms of transportation ... but we don't. We like being independent and "in control". Hence another reason why I don't think these things will take off for at least 2-3 more generations (at the very least).
post #116 of 196
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I think they meant that they won't be common place for a long time to come...which is probably right. Even if they went on sale tomorrow it would take a good 30 years to get them to be common place...UNLESS they could be purchased very cheaply. I know I plan to be begging my wife to get one as soon as they are available...I don't care if I have to shell out $120,000 for a stupid car.

Though honestly I see the DoT coming in and helping it along...maybe we'll get some good self driving car tax breaks or something.
Automated car systems will be more like $3-8K extra.

If you commute more than 1hr each way to work, it pays itself off in 1-2 years.
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Maybe, now if you actually show me where someone credible said that 30 years after the car was out that "it was just a fad and horses will always be the dominant form of transportation", then you might have a valid parallel. What you are basically saying is that people in the time of horses said that cars would never take off. Well, the problem is, both of these ideas have been around for at least 70 years, and really around for 30 years. And 100, 70, and 30 years later, they STILL aren't very common at all. Hopefully you can see what I'm getting at.


I never said they were very efficient. If anything, you pointing that out sort of proves my point. People, especially Americans, love their cars. They have an IRRATIONAL attachment to them. If they were rational about transportation, we would ditch them for better forms of transportation ... but we don't. We like being independent and "in control". Hence another reason why I don't think these things will take off for at least 2-3 more generations (at the very least).
Both these ideas?

The concept of mechanized vehicles have been around for hundreds of years. They were not feasible until the underlying technology (mass production, metallurgy, fuel supply, etc) arrived to make them feasible.... Time has nothing to do with it. It is the cost and practicality of the technology. Computers and sensors are now cheap and powerful enough for automated cars.

Most people do not like driving.... poll the millions of daily commuters. People drive because the cost-benefit pushes them to due to lack of mass transit, scheduling, cost, etc.
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Automated car systems will be more like $3-8K extra.

If you commute more than 1hr each way to work, it pays itself off in 1-2 years.
Both these ideas?

The concept of mechanized vehicles have been around for hundreds of years. They were not feasible until the underlying technology (mass production, metallurgy, fuel supply, etc) arrived to make them feasible.... Time has nothing to do with it. It is the cost and practicality of the technology. Computers and sensors are now cheap and powerful enough for automated cars.

Most people do not like driving.... poll the millions of daily commuters. People drive because the cost-benefit pushes them to due to lack of mass transit, scheduling, cost, etc.


How is buying a self driving car going to "pay itself off in 1-2 years"? Last time I checked, I cant do my job in my car, like most people...
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How is buying a self driving car going to "pay itself off in 1-2 years"? Last time I checked, I cant do my job in my car, like most people...

It all depends on how you value it. Value is more than just dollars. To me it would be nice to sleep the 3 hours I lose daily driving. Plenty of value right there. I could come up with other examples but you get the point right?
     
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It all depends on how you value it. Value is more than just dollars. To me it would be nice to sleep the 3 hours I lose daily driving. Plenty of value right there. I could come up with other examples but you get the point right?

What about people that value driving for themselves? The people that might, instead of sitting in traffic on their commute to work, take the back road with all the twisty curves and straight parts thumb.gif

While the idea is neat, manual driving will not be "outlawed". The world will not be taken over by self driving cars. Sure there may be the option to buy and use a self driving car on public roads, but to say that its going to be a crime for a human to drive is ridiculous.
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Most people do not like driving.... poll the millions of daily commuters. People drive because the cost-benefit pushes them to due to lack of mass transit, scheduling, cost, etc.

Actually, that has little to do with people not like driving and has everything to do with people not like being stuck traffic.
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