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Just throwing it out there but won't this be a typically bad thing?

I mean, firstly: it'd be boring. I'm all up for self-driving cars that put bad drivers out of business! However as a biker, the joy is in the ride.

Secondly, can we imagine the amount of people still living if we ( At least partially ) eliminated road traffic accidents ? Like if we cured Cancer and AIDs. Surly the population would be more of a problem?

Just my thoughts when I read this artical feel free to help out tongue.gif
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I know right?? Like, there's gonna be an extra 35k people not killed due to idiots that can't control their alcohol or texting addictions. Hundreds of thousands fewer insurance claims, resulting in cheaper auto insurance, saving us money that we can spend elsewhere. We'll have more productive commutes to work, or we can spend that 1+ hour we have to sit and drive in stop and go traffic playing video games. Carpooling will be much more viable of an option, saving time and money, and reducing our carbon footprint, helping to ensure Earth stays around for our future generations.

I agree, this has to be the stupidest idea ever. It's has the potential to save lives, save money, increase productivity, give us more time to game, make traffic more efficient, and help clean up the Earth. What a stupid idea indeed.

/sarcastic rant

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what a f*@$ing moron
Those drunks will also find themselves safe in the morning but like a couple hundred miles from anywhere they know and no gas by telling the car to go somewhere random xD

The car can drive on its own across the US and you're worried about it not knowing to calculate its route and stop at a gas station to get gas?

These cars should definitely disable the manual-pilot ability if the driver is intoxicated. (Require a breathalyzer test to manually control the car).
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Just a few weeks ago there was an 86 car pileup in Ohio and I thought, "What the heck was the 86th person thinking?" But when something happens in a one in a million chance and you only have a second or two to react, your brain isn't conditioned to react like that. Computers will always be better in those scenarios because even if you go 30 years without it happening, the programming will always be there to account for it.

I don't know what the driving conditions are like in this particular location in Ohio, but when I drive I try to leave enough space so that if the car in front of me does break, I have time to react. The thought of driving bumper to bumper at high speeds would scare the crap out of me.
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I don't know what the driving conditions are like in this particular location in Ohio, but when I drive I try to leave enough space so that if the car in front of me does break, I have time to react. The thought of driving bumper to bumper at high speeds would scare the crap out of me.

It was after a fresh snow and it was slick. Still after the first 10 or so, you would think they would be able to avoid it. That is why the superhero thought process when you have time to assess the situation doesn't work in real time.

Human instincts usually actually hurt you more than they help. In snow you are never supposed to push hard on the brakes. You are supposed to let off the gas and let the car slow on its own along with pumping the brakes. However when you see cars collide in front of you your instincts are to mash the brakes, which usually gets you into an uncontrollable skid. Same way when you coast off the road and you get into the gravel. You are supposed to gradually correct your steering and ease back on to the road. However most people when they hear the sound of gravel hitting up under their car they just jerk the wheel back to the direction of the road. That is an easy way to get the car to flip or lose control.
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Whats funny about this idea is that it's not going to mesh well with the rest of the driving world.
maybe some people would buy into it early on, and more later, but everyone else driving is going to hate these computer drivers, especially in its buggy infancy

i can't imagine drinking coffee in the backseat of my computer-chauffeur and then getting T-boned by some manual driver without seeing it coming
this won't save any lives, as there will be regular cars around to muck it up for a long time to come, and i doubt anyone will pass a law banning manual drivers from the roads anytime soon.

and productivity will not be any better just because you can text more, you will have to leave earlier since they will probably have a set speed & accel.
when you are coming up on a light and it turns yellow, you probably won't be able to speed up that extra 5mph to make it past the light to save minutes, maybe im wrong but who knows.

i think cars have enough stupid electronics in them now. door sensors, seat belt sensors, and now idiot sensors for those who can't drive a car...
you can't fix stupid ya' know? stupids will find a way to muck up even a computer driver, trust me on that
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Whats funny about this idea is that it's not going to mesh well with the rest of the driving world.
maybe some people would buy into it early on, and more later, but everyone else driving is going to hate these computer drivers, especially in its buggy infancy

i can't imagine drinking coffee in the backseat of my computer-chauffeur and then getting T-boned by some manual driver without seeing it coming
this won't save any lives, as there will be regular cars around to muck it up for a long time to come, and i doubt anyone will pass a law banning manual drivers from the roads anytime soon.

and productivity will not be any better just because you can text more, you will have to leave earlier since they will probably have a set speed & accel.
when you are coming up on a light and it turns yellow, you probably won't be able to speed up that extra 5mph to make it past the light to save minutes, maybe im wrong but who knows.

i think cars have enough stupid electronics in them now. door sensors, seat belt sensors, and now idiot sensors for those who can't drive a car...
you can't fix stupid ya' know? stupids will find a way to muck up even a computer driver, trust me on that
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Audi has already demonstrated driver-less technology that doesn't include a giant roof mounted satellite dish, I cant see Google getting far with this...

This is something I think all car manufacturers will be heavily invested in during the next 10 years, I cant see them all partnering with Google to do it...

That demo was extremely controlled and can really only be taken as a proof of concept. see the transmitters on the ground in the audi video telling the car when it entered the parking structure? It's not completely automated. Unless Audi makes this a standard I doubt many property managers would install sensors for cars well over $60k from only one manufacturer to park by themselves in their structure.

Google has the resources and already developed a totally autonomous car. Not just a self parking car with help of sensors. Google's concept and practical application is far more advanced than Audi's.

in fact with the lack of sensors on the Audi i suspect it cant go much faster than parking lot speeds. Benefit of that laser scanner on the google car roof is that the computer "sees" everything around it in virtually real time (slight lag as the sensor spins).

see this less fancy version of the demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvipzPWnE0

the thing will get confused if you step in front of it, behind it, or near it (and stop the scripted driving). LOL "dont follow it, let it park"....well it is a parking structure full of cars and probably other drivers...

Coming from someone who has programmed Lego NXT bots with RobotC to operate on feedback loops, Google's offering is by far more robust.
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Whats funny about this idea is that it's not going to mesh well with the rest of the driving world.
maybe some people would buy into it early on, and more later, but everyone else driving is going to hate these computer drivers, especially in its buggy infancy
Buggy infancy? There are already are driverless cars on real-world streets.

In fact, driverless cars have driven from Italy to the coast of China.

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i can't imagine drinking coffee in the backseat of my computer-chauffeur and then getting T-boned by some manual driver without seeing it coming
What's the difference between this and a human chauffeur? Humans don't have 365 degree vision, don't have microsecond reaction times, and tire.
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this won't save any lives, as there will be regular cars around to muck it up for a long time to come, and i doubt anyone will pass a law banning manual drivers from the roads anytime soon.
How about the drivers that would have caused an accident in the first place?

Banning manual drivers definitely won't happen anytime soon... but it will happen. Maybe a dedicated lane on a highway at first.
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and productivity will not be any better just because you can text more, you will have to leave earlier since they will probably have a set speed & accel.
when you are coming up on a light and it turns yellow, you probably won't be able to speed up that extra 5mph to make it past the light to save minutes, maybe im wrong but who knows.
You could leave later if every car was automated. Every car could be going 70-100mph bumper-to-bumper. Think about how much roadway is wasted due to human reaction times.

Lights? Who needs traffic lights? In fact, in a completely automated system.... who needs to stop? The cars just slow down and seperate enough to allow the other cars to pass between. Basically, busy intersection would be constantly full of cars moving at 20-40mph instead of the stop-wait inefficency of today.
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i think cars have enough stupid electronics in them now. door sensors, seat belt sensors, and now idiot sensors for those who can't drive a car...
you can't fix stupid ya' know? stupids will find a way to muck up even a computer driver, trust me on that
So you rather have a stupid driver?

Most people can't drive cars that well. Try driving at 90mph in fog bumper-to-bumper for a few hours? A computer can.
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Buggy infancy? There are already are driverless cars on real-world streets.

In fact, driverless cars have driven from Italy to the coast of China.
What's the difference between this and a human chauffeur? Humans don't have 365 degree vision, don't have microsecond reaction times, and tire.
How about the drivers that would have caused an accident in the first place?

365 degree? lol wut?
China and Japan are way further ahead technologically than the us, they are also more adaptable to change.
we have too many laws and restrictions.
they even have restaurants with robot waiters and cooks that work for 5 hours, then charge for 2 hours.
The us is just too stupid to get into this.
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Banning manual drivers definitely won't happen anytime soon... but it will happen. Maybe a dedicated lane on a highway at first.
You could leave later if every car was automated. Every car could be going 70-100mph bumper-to-bumper. Think about how much roadway is wasted due to human reaction times.

i do most definitely hate the slow reaction people who can't watch a light turn green, but i dont think the majority of tax payers will want to put up the money to re-do highways to allow a dedicated lane, although that would be very nice and helpful to both sides.
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Lights? Who needs traffic lights? In fact, in a completely automated system.... who needs to stop? The cars just slow down and seperate enough to allow the other cars to pass between. Basically, busy intersection would be constantly full of cars moving at 20-40mph instead of the stop-wait inefficency of today.
So you rather have a stupid driver?

Most people can't drive cars that well. Try driving at 90mph in fog bumper-to-bumper for a few hours? A computer can.

I live in houston, and drive the opposite direction of traffic to go to work--everyone is going N when im going S, so it doesn't make a difference to me, and there's never any fog on our freeways.

Maybe try not driving 90 mph in the fog? that's just poor judgement

This isn't and end-all for road problems, people's cars are still going to break down, batteries lose their charge, tires pop, lights go out, and so there will still be wrecks--just with less control. I've had a tire blowout on the freeway with other vehicles around and I was able to keep control and pull over to fix it without any wrecks

Plus, what about our law enforcement? They rely on writing tickets for a lot of people's paychecks, which means there would be less police across all towns. Maybe that's good maybe its bad, but its a huge change that no law enforcement is going to want to jump into quickly. What about New York's taxi cabs, or any Limo service? Are they just going to give up their jobs?

I would rather have the freedom to be smart or stupid then have no decision at all.
It's like using software to do overclocking as opposed to doing it in bios. i don't need to think or act, just let the software do it for me!
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365 degree? lol wut?
China and Japan are way further ahead technologically than the us, they are also more adaptable to change.
we have too many laws and restrictions.
they even have restaurants with robot waiters and cooks that work for 5 hours, then charge for 2 hours.
The us is just too stupid to get into this.
360 degrees (was writing another doc).

China and Japan are not technologically ahead. Japan employes robots due to poor structured labor market and xenophobia. Basically, they employ robots because they have to.

The US by far outspends any other company in R&D and basic sciences. These basic sciences are important for future (decades) technology. Think about it.... what cutting-edge technology do we import from Japan or China? Big Data, chip design, Gorilla glass, jet engines, etc... these high-end technology originate in the US.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending
1 United States $405.3B USD
2 China $139.7B USD
3 Japan $160.3B USD


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i do most definitely hate the slow reaction people who can't watch a light turn green, but i dont think the majority of tax payers will want to put up the money to re-do highways to allow a dedicated lane, although that would be very nice and helpful to both sides.
In heavily congested lanes... there ALREADY are dedicated lanes. They are currently dedicated to High Occupency Vehicles.
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I live in houston, and drive the opposite direction of traffic to go to work--everyone is going N when im going S, so it doesn't make a difference to me, and there's never any fog on our freeways.
You miss the point.....
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Maybe try not driving 90 mph in the fog? that's just poor judgement
Poor judgement to a human driver. A non-issue to a computer driver.

Point is a robotic car can do things we cannot.
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This isn't and end-all for road problems, people's cars are still going to break down, batteries lose their charge, tires pop, lights go out, and so there will still be wrecks--just with less control. I've had a tire blowout on the freeway with other vehicles around and I was able to keep control and pull over to fix it without any wrecks
Vehicle sensors are getting better but there will always be issues.

If a car breaks down on the road.... then automated cars can just reroute to go around them. In networked automated cars, all cars in the area and services would be alerted. Everything can go on around the problematic vehicle.

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Plus, what about our law enforcement? They rely on writing tickets for a lot of people's paychecks, which means there would be less police across all towns. Maybe that's good maybe its bad, but its a huge change that no law enforcement is going to want to jump into quickly. What about New York's taxi cabs, or any Limo service? Are they just going to give up their jobs?
Law enforcement could then be better deployed. Sure, cops make money writing tickets.... but is the cop sitting there monitoring traffic actually make people safer? The cop could do more focused work or get rid of the traffic cop position.


Weak arguement. History has already proven that as automation and machines take over a minial jobs, humans can be retrained to do high-level jobs.

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I would rather have the freedom to be smart or stupid then have no decision at all.
It's like using software to do overclocking as opposed to doing it in bios. i don't need to think or act, just let the software do it for me!
Weak arguement.... so us would rather spend hundreds of billions annually in road maintence, medical care, and loss productivity just because you want to drive?


There are already many white papers studying this.... nothing you present here is new....
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