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I would just be worried about the jobs people would lose tothis. At least by the time this is mainstream, our elders won't be as out of the loop with tech like the last generation.
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I don't care who implements it...just make it affordable so it can be made wide spread quickly. In my town your life is put at great risk every time you pull out of the drive way. Seriously, I lived is a lot of different areas of the US and I've NEVER seen drivers as bad as they are in this little town.
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I don't care who implements it...just make it affordable so it can be made wide spread quickly. In my own your life is put at great risk every time you pull out of the drive way. Seriously, I lived is a lot of different areas of the US and I've NEVER seen drivers as bad as they are in this little town.

Swing down through DC sometime...Granted, I've never driven in your neck of the woods, but I had no idea DC drivers were as bad as they were until I moved there for awhile. Worst/craziest place I've ever driven, next to some areas of Texas
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I would just be worried about the jobs people would lose tothis. At least by the time this is mainstream, our elders won't be as out of the loop with tech like the last generation.

Never be concerned about technology taking jobs. If technology took someones job, than that job wasn't needed for society, and that person can do something more productive. It is sad when people lose jobs, but we can't let it stand in the way of the future.
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China and Japan are not technologically ahead. Japan employes robots due to poor structured labor market and xenophobia. Basically, they employ robots because they have to.

The US by far outspends any other company in R&D and basic sciences. These basic sciences are important for future (decades) technology. Think about it.... what cutting-edge technology do we import from Japan or China? Big Data, chip design, Gorilla glass, jet engines, etc... these high-end technology originate in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_research_and_development_spending
1 United States $405.3B USD
2 China $139.7B USD
3 Japan $160.3B USD

Yes we may do more research and have more spending as our government is more frivolous, but they implement more technology into their daily lives then we do--that is just the perspective from living in the south (every city implements more tech then in the south) My point is that the 'bot cars will not be widely accepted in all us cities for a LONG while to come if they do. That means there is going to be a mesh of bots & humans driving and that will create problems for both sides which is only going to prolong the adaptation. I can almost guarantee that other countries will do this much better than the us.

The robot restaurants are actually few and far between, they aren't making a significant impact on their market as it is more of a novelty than a technology take-over
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In heavily congested lanes... there ALREADY are dedicated lanes. They are currently dedicated to High Occupency Vehicles.
You miss the point.....
Poor judgement to a human driver. A non-issue to a computer driver.

Point is a robotic car can do things we cannot.
Vehicle sensors are getting better but there will always be issues.

That's one lane here, so it will still take extra money to adapt the highways for more, unless they force bot cars to be high occupancy, which could be for the better.

Yes, of course computers can do things we cannot, but computers cannot prevent accidents from human drivers--which there will still be plenty of.

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If a car breaks down on the road.... then automated cars can just reroute to go around them. In networked automated cars, all cars in the area and services would be alerted. Everything can go on around the problematic vehicle.
Law enforcement could then be better deployed. Sure, cops make money writing tickets.... but is the cop sitting there monitoring traffic actually make people safer? The cop could do more focused work or get rid of the traffic cop position.

But what about the problematic car? Sensors aren't going to be perfect, and there will still be wrecks.
This is an enthusiastic idea but nothing in reality turns out to be that simple.
Car manufacturers aren't going to produce something that can fix itself, they'd rather have repair and replacement part $$$.

Cops/EMTs/Firefighters have no focused work, they are just on call and posting up in problem areas.
The traffic cops post up more of a deterrent than actually doing anything.
Are firefighters making things safer when they sit at a station with no fires in the area?
There are just tooo many average-joe jobs that get phased out by this--cops, buses, taxis and last time I checked those people don't use cutting-edge technology throughout every part of their lives.

Where exactly are these high-level jobs we have for these people? last time i checked that's still a problem in our country.
More robots taking simple jobs is still less jobs for a rapidly growing number of people.
People in general don't do good things when they get bored.

And road maintenance will not be less expensive, there will be more cars on the road, not less. The roads themselves still get torn up and deteriorate

That's not an argument, that's an opinion as is everything typed into a forum... no ones solving any problems here, it's simply speculation. the idea of automated drivers isn't new either but we still don't have them driving around in the us

From my perspective we are simply trading one problem for another, more complex problem but that's just my 2¢
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People speculated that the electric cars would take over transportation, but how many of those do you see on the road compared to gas/diesel?
And that was supposedly to combat the entire world's problem with global warming--yet most still don't care

People can speculate on the future and driverless cars all they want, but that's not going to make Bubba-Joe-Henry-Bob from Sticks-town give up his F-350--a poor analogy or representation of the majority of us citizens
This "future" is a lot further away than people may think

The only thing that is going to vault Google over Apple is Apple... messing themselves up with bad management or whatever reason imo
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ugh damn double posts
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Yes we may do more research and have more spending as our government is more frivolous, but they implement more technology into their daily lives then we do--that is just the perspective from living in the south (every city implements more tech then in the south) My point is that the 'bot cars will not be widely accepted in all us cities for a LONG while to come if they do. That means there is going to be a mesh of bots & humans driving and that will create problems for both sides which is only going to prolong the adaptation. I can almost guarantee that other countries will do this much better than the us.
The Chinese government isn't frivolous? smile.gif

"Implementation of technology in daily lives" is different from overall technology. US still maintains a massive lead (for now). Japan will NEVER be as innovative or revolutionary as the US overall. Why? Simple, their culture frowns on failure. In US culture, you can always just try and try again. (Quite a few articles written about this and how venture capitalisms invests.)

Being a leader often means imperfect implementation. US spent trillions in wireless technologies and other countries can just build on the results. However, the US benefits from first-mover advantage in technology. It's more expensive to do things first but the pay off can be greater.
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The robot restaurants are actually few and far between, they aren't making a significant impact on their market as it is more of a novelty than a technology take-over
Of course, BUT Japan requires robot due to worker shortages. Not an issue in the US for the most part.
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That's one lane here, so it will still take extra money to adapt the highways for more, unless they force bot cars to be high occupancy, which could be for the better.
I don't see the issue....

Get rid of HOV lane and use it for high-speed automated traffic only. As robot cars become more popular, begin to dedicate more lanes to them.

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Yes, of course computers can do things we cannot, but computers cannot prevent accidents from human drivers--which there will still be plenty of.
Sure they can. They can identify irraditic behavior. They can avoid an unexpected car.

Computers can do this faster, better, and more logical than humans... so get the humans out of the driver seat!

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But what about the problematic car? Sensors aren't going to be perfect, and there will still be wrecks.
This is an enthusiastic idea but nothing in reality turns out to be that simple.
Car manufacturers aren't going to produce something that can fix itself, they'd rather have repair and replacement part $$$.
Depends on the problem.... other cars may be able to flag and report them... like drivers do today.

Of course accidents can still happen... but the vast majority of wrecks are due to human error.

Cars still have to be fixed and maintained since they are mechanical devices.

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Cops/EMTs/Firefighters have no focused work, they are just on call and posting up in problem areas.
The traffic cops post up more of a deterrent than actually doing anything.
Are firefighters making things safer when they sit at a station with no fires in the area?
Police do have focused work..... patrolling more crime areas or investigative work.

If traffic crime is eliminated, which is more effective as a deterrent.... a cop sitting at a busy intersection or highway... or a cop patrolling? Traffic cops are generally deployed to areas of high vehicluar traffic.... which generally means less people... less people... less crime.
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There are just tooo many average-joe jobs that get phased out by this--cops, buses, taxis and last time I checked those people don't use cutting-edge technology throughout every part of their lives.

Where exactly are these high-level jobs we have for these people? last time i checked that's still a problem in our country.
More robots taking simple jobs is still less jobs for a rapidly growing number of people.

People in general don't do good things when they get bored.
"Average" and "cutting-edge technology" are relative. With every disruptive technology... there's going to be friction. However, this is no reason to stop progress.

Should we have stopped email because the USPS would lose work?
Should we have stopped the printing press because scribes would lose work?

There is plenty of research on this topic.... Here's a recent article on the topic: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/12/ff-robots-will-take-our-jobs/all/

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And road maintenance will not be less expensive, there will be more cars on the road, not less. The roads themselves still get torn up and deteriorate
Overall road maintenance will go down.

Road will require more maintence but less roads will be need. Road will be efficently utilized. Imagine if existing roads could handle 2-4 times current capacity. No more roads would have to be expanded for years.



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That's not an argument, that's an opinion as is everything typed into a forum... no ones solving any problems here, it's simply speculation. the idea of automated drivers isn't new either but we still don't have them driving around in the us

From my perspective we are simply trading one problem for another, more complex problem but that's just my 2¢

The computing power and senors for automated drivers haven't been cheap enough. They are now.

Of course, there will be new problems. However, we get rid of lots more of old problems. The cost-benefit dictate that it will happen. Eventually, it won't be the government that restricts manual cars. It will be the insurance. Have an robot car? Pay $1000 a year. Have a human driver? Pay $10,000 a year (more as the number of people convert and the pool of drivers shrink).

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/auto/robot-cars.aspx
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Swing down through DC sometime...Granted, I've never driven in your neck of the woods, but I had no idea DC drivers were as bad as they were until I moved there for awhile. Worst/craziest place I've ever driven, next to some areas of Texas

I've logged many hours on the Beltway...never have I seen what I go through here. Some times I just have to laugh at it.

I've actually seen people stopping at green lights and watched as their break lights never even fired up as they cruised through the red light a block away (I've seen this twice...obviously not the norm). Every stop sign is optional, I've had my green light turn yellow before the cars on the other street finally stopped for their red light, on the way to get my kids from daycare every day I always have at least two people not even look to see if there is oncoming traffic before driving through their stop sign (and I drive a big bright red crew cab pickup so I should not to hard to see coming), people like to turn left out of right turn only lanes a lot. I swear...it is like I live in China or something.

Bad drivers are every where...but in a town of about 100,000 people I don't think I should be seeing traffic accidents on a near daily occurrence or deal with this many bad drivers. So auto drive cannot come fast enough for me.

Heh, though I saw the funniest traffic accident in DC in my life. This SUV came around me and smacked doors with this little honda civic. The SUV pulled over and the civic just slowed to a crawl...and then all of a sudden floored it and took off even though the SUV was at fault...my guess is that they didn't want to be talking to any police. I've always thought...what would I do in that situation? Do I call the police and basically turn my self in for crashing into another car?
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Wow Duckie...I'm with you on most of this thread.

I do however worry whether we'll have a new age of Luddites whenever this tech becomes cheap enough to reach mass market. But I for one would love to no longer have to suffer the inconsistency and stupidity of other people driving. There is no place with good drivers anymore as people just don't care or worry about the consequences. It's quite concerning when doing 10 over the limit means you have a line of cars 20 long behind you in near bumper to bumper. I'm all for removing people from situations where they are no longer trained or forced to be more aware about their actions.

PS: About the speeding up through a yellow light....in a world without human drivers and assuming the cars are networked you could essentially no longer need stop lights, speed limits (as the cars could go as fast as possible depending on the situations), and insurance would no longer be required by law (PLEASE OH PLEASE I hate wasting money protecting myself from the pathetic-ness of others).

Cars without human drivers would be a lot better for society than it could ever be a harm...if done correctly and without bureaucratic regulation or intervention. Of course the simple minded will protest against it. rolleyes.gif
     
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