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Hi guys,

Im planning for a new rig for next month. Below are roughly the attainable price for me for each card in NZD (New Zealand Dollar):
  • GTX670 = 640NZD
  • GTX680 = 800NZD
  • HD7970 = 600NZD

Initially after reading all the generic reviews on different tech sites, my first reaction was to buy a 7970, it was a no brainer, the best performance (13.1WHQL) for the cheapest price.

However, the deeper i dig into this forum the more uncertain i become in making that choice. While 7970 is the best theoretical performer in FPS, it potentially suffers from some serious problems (i.e. micro-stuttering and DX9 artifacts). It seems to me while some users are purporting "butter smooth" game play, others are reporting issues in virtually every single game.

What is frustrating for me is that i cannot confirm how common or how widespread these problems occur as to make up my mind in deciding whether or not i should pay a $200 premium for a safer choice buying the GTX680. Are these problems over-hyped on this forum or are they actually some serious problems for the majority 7970 users.

From reading this forum and guru3d, it seems to me the majority suffers from the above issues, but....
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Originally Posted by Thracks View Post

I have access to the bug tracker, and DX9 flickering is the #1 thing on our radar. smile.gif

What is true is that the issue is a lot more rare and harder to track down than the reports here at OCN would have you believe. To be very clear, I'm not saying we've made no progress or haven't seen it ourselves, but this is not an issue affecting a "majority" or even "a bunch." That doesn't make any less urgent, though, nor any less annoying for those people experiencing it.

For example, across my three systems I have two crossfire 7970 GHz, one crossfire 7970 (regular) and a single 7870. I can't for the life of me reproduce DX9 flickering on any of those systems, or stuttering in Far Cry 3! Smooth as silk, no flashing... nothing! And let me tell you, I've been playing Civ5-DX9/Skyrim/Dishonored all week trying to get something on my end to happen.

So, like I said: progress is being made, but it's not as common as people believe.

While 13.2 beta seems to have mitigated the micro-stuttering issue, the frame times graphs still seem to fluctuate rather significantly when compared to nVidia. AMD has also claimed to be working on a completely re-written GCN management driver, but considering how they have left this issue unfixed for over a year now... zzz

Please help me make a choice!!


Thanks in advance.
Edited by kix - 1/28/13 at 12:35am
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If you are recording your gameplay with 10K dollar high speed slow motion camera, then buy 680. If you want to get better performance in general and cheaper get the 7970, you wont be disappointed. I had GTX 670 clocked at 1300mhz, and this 7970 was at stock faster with Never Settle drivers in many games (1300mhz GTX 670 is a bit faster than stock 680). I havent had any issues with my 7970, as for that latency bs, i really cant see it (atleast on my screen and with my eyes, and im very picky about what i see).
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Originally Posted by Tonza View Post

If you are recording your gameplay with 10K dollar high speed slow motion camera, then buy 680. If you want to get better performance in general and cheaper get the 7970, you wont be disappointed. I had GTX 670 clocked at 1300mhz, and this 7970 was at stock faster with Never Settle drivers in many games (1300mhz GTX 670 is a bit faster than stock 680). I havent had any issues with my 7970, as for that latency bs, i really cant see it (atleast on my screen and with my eyes, and im very picky about what i see).

May i ask what games are you playing? Also are you using Vsync or any other 3rd party softwares like RadeonPro?

Thank you for your reply, more inputs like these from 7970 owners are mcuh appreciated!
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Im playing mostly FPS games, and some RPG´s (pretty much every new game which is out, i play). Usually i dont use VSYNC, because it gives input lag, but in games like DmC (which i play with controller) its good for them. Tried RadeonPro, but i dont really need it.
post #5 of 26
Go with the 7970, both will provide you with a stable, smooth 60 FPS on 1080p. The reason behind this is that the 7970 isn't voltage locked so if you need to overclock its always better off. 13.2 beta drivers should fix the latency issues so no need to worry about the latency issues. Might as well save that 200NZD and buy a SSD with it.
post #6 of 26
7970 is currently the fastest single GPU in the world, depending on the games you play you might not see any problems .
If you want from the green I don't recommend the GTX 680 as it is horrendously overpriced.
$160 over GTX 670 and $200 over 7970 ? man this is crazy.
If you got a GTX 670 that can do 1300 MHz I have no doubts that you can match or exceed the max OC of reference GTX 680s.
Also once the 7970 is OCed especially at 2560+ resolutions, there is just no competition, the 680 won't be able to keep up.
Those are the games I've tried with my 7950 so far :-

Metro 2033 :- no issues.
Sleeping Dogs :- no issues.
Skyrim :- DX9 artifacts and (stutter only happen with certain ENB mods due to d3d9.dll files they use).
F.3.A.R :- no issues.
Crysis 1 :- no issues.
Crysis Warhead :- no issues.
Crysis 2 :- no issues.
F.E.A.R 1 (DX9) :- no issues.

I know my games are a bit old but I didn't find anything interesting to me in 2012 redface.gif .

All my other games are as good as my GTX 670 in smoothness.
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I have never had an issue. Only time I did was when my OC was unstable. I flashed my reference 7970 with the GHZ BIOS and found it running hotter, so swapped out the cooler.

Been playing games like Path of Exile, Lol, World of Tanks and other f2p games recently. Most of them use DX9 and I haven't noticed anything.
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post #8 of 26
Get the 7970 at playtech or computerlounge. Price /performance way too good to ignore.

Ive never seen the stuttering thing myself and Ive had top end and midrange cards from both nvidia and AMD/ATI. Personally I think the issue is a bit overstated.
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Hey I too am from New Zealand!
I have had my 7970 for a few months now and I have had no issues. I mainly play BF3, Far Cry 3, Planet Side 2 and Skyrim and I play with V-sync on usually. I don't use radeon pro, just MSI afterbuner for overclocking.

I got the windforce edition from computer lounge. Great site to deal with.
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=16504

This card runs cool and is very quiet as well.
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There is no reason to get any other single card configuration than the HD7970.

Well I got one reason I could take a NVidia: no-latency "hack" for 3D Vision monitors.

And if I were to multi-gpu again I would definitely take SLI over Crossfire, it is superior in every way.

But single card? HD7970, no question.
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