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I'm new here so have some mercy if I'm doing this wrong. I've tried searching previous posts but I need a little bit more of a direct approach if anyone is willing to give input.

Here are my specs for reference

MB: Asus M5A97 Evo
RAM: 2 x 4gb Vengance
Processor - 1055T Oc'd to 3.5ghz
Video- 680gtx (stock)
Sound - Asus xonar essence stx
Power - Thermaltake TR2 600w
Hd: Seagate Barracuda @ 7200rpm
3 x 120mm fans

I want to make sure that I get something that will be stable with my system. My main concern is that the PSU I'm using right now doesn't match the 12v rail output for the 680... I'm not sure how important that is since everything boots up and runs with relatively no problems outside of some random reboots and the random crash to desktop in some games but I don't know if that is something to blame on the PSU or windows 7.

Here's a link to newegg for the specs on my current PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153114

If anyone can bring me up to date on that I would greatly appreciate it.

As for why I'm posting I need help filtering through brands... my price range peaks at $200. I think I want something with a 80 plus Platinum rating but I'm not sure what wattage would be sufficient for my current setup... I have no plans to sli at all and if I do upgrade it would only be an SSD and maybe a FX processor when they start showing their worth.

Will I see and improvement while gaming with a better PSU... especially one that has the proper output on the 12v rail?

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post #2 of 18

The 80+ Certifications are all marketing hype, so I recommend trying to let go of being attached to any of them (such as the 80+ Platinum certification).

 

Anyway, regarding your current PSU, I'm not surprised that you're experiencing problems based on this article:

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/652549/on-thermaltake-psus

 

All that would really be needed for your system is a quality-made 400-450W power supply.

 

An example of a good 450W power supply that would have no problem powering your rig as it is right now is the Rosewill Capstone 450-M:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

 

It's going for $69.99 shipped.

 

If you're unsure about having enough power, then here's some proof:

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_680_sli_review,4.html

 

With one GTX 680 under full load in their system, their PSU pulled 307W from the wall outlet.  Their CPU was idling, so I need to add 150W for an overclocked  1055T (unrealistically high, but it's to cover higher overclocking).  So with an overclocked 1055T under full load and overclocked pulling 150W at the same time as a GTX 680 under full load pulling 307W, that makes the PSU pulling 457W from the wall outlet.  So if the PSU is 85% efficient while pulling 457W from the wall outlet, then that means the system is pulling 388W from the PSU.  This means that any quality-made 400W power supply would have all the power the system would ever need - even in extreme (and rare) situations where the 680 and the 1055T are under full load at the same time.

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post #3 of 18
grab a seasonic, kingwin, superflower, corsair, antec, rosewill gold/platinum 450w. should be good to go as twocables has already mentioned tongue.gif
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Not all of Kingwin and Super Flower's PSUs are good though.

 

It's better to stay away from going by brand names or other general things like that (such as the 80+ Certification).  The best thing to do is to find out which specific units are good without using those units to judge the whole brand name or anything like that.

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post #5 of 18
Avoid budget super flowers and kingwin psu's. Super flower gold and plat units on the other hand offer great value and performance. Rosewill and kingwin are also made by SF so any of their gold or platinum 400-500w units would suffice.

The higher the efficiency the lower heat, thus longer life, lower noise and smaller electric bill.
Edited by Fulvin - 1/28/13 at 3:52am
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post #7 of 18
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Took a look at the thermaltake article... that put some of the problems I've been having into perspective.

To my understanding PSU's degrade over time so I don't think I would want to stick with the bare minimum to run everything... I think somewhere between the 550-750w mark would do it for me just for the longevity it might offer. I'm having a hard time sifting through all the PSU's out there...
    
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Originally Posted by N0S3LFESTEEM View Post

Took a look at the thermaltake article... that put some of the problems I've been having into perspective.

To my understanding PSU's degrade over time so I don't think I would want to stick with the bare minimum to run everything... I think somewhere between the 550-750w mark would do it for me just for the longevity it might offer.

 

Quality-made PSUs don't degrade over time enough to worry about.  The internal components are of such high quality that it's almost a non-issue.  To take it further, high-quality PSU's like Rosewill's entire line of Capstone PSUs are even better in this respect.  The 450-M would essentially last you forever if you never had more than one video card.  The only kind of PSUs that would be worth worrying about when it comes to degradation are cheap, low-quality units.

 

On top of all of this, the 388W calculation I posted is, again, when the CPU and video card are under full load at the same time.  I don't know how often this happens, but I''m pretty sure it's rare.  So that 388W is essentially an extreme.  While gaming, your system would really only pull about 275-300W from your PSU, maybe sometimes 325W.  A quality-made 450W power supply like the Rosewill Capstone 450-M is designed to easily deliver 450W continuously if it's ever needed.  So even if 388W is being pulled from it, that's still nothing for a PSU like this.  If it were a living creature, then it would be yawning while delivering 388W.  ;)

 

This is not to say that it's a bad idea to get a 550W unit or something like that, but it's to show that you that you could even be fine with a quality-made 400W power supply.  I mean, the kind of power supplies I'm talking about are designed to easily deliver their rated wattage continuously if it's ever needed.

 

So really, the only benefit of getting good 650W power supply would be if you wanted to have two 7970s because that would be a perfect fit.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by N0S3LFESTEEM View Post

I'm having a hard time sifting through all the PSU's out there...

 

That's why we're here.  ;)


Edited by TwoCables - 1/28/13 at 4:11am
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (C:\) 250 GB Samsung 840 EVO (D:\) 150 GB WD VelociRaptor Samsung SH-S243N 24x DVD Burner 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung SH-S203N 20X DVD Burner Thermaltake Frio Win 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 Retail AOC G2460PG (24" 1920 x 1080 144Hz G-SYNC) 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Filco Majestouch 104-key Cherry MX Blues w/NKRO Corsair HX650 (Bronze, ordered on 12-12-2009) CM 690 Intellimouse Optical (1.1A) 1000Hz polling rate 
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