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Okay, so I know that the setup I have in mind is going to be overkill for my current hardware, but I always buy and build systems with upgrades down the road in mind.

Current hardware:
AMD FX-8150 3.6GHZ 8 core
Asus Sabertooth 990FX
8GB DDR31600
GTX 560 Ti 448 core edition
Cooler Master HAF X 942 case

The only thing I'm going to be liquid cooling for now is the cpu. My desired setup is as follows:

360mm rad in the top of the case
120-140mm at the back
Single or (preferably) dual bay reservoir
Additional small reservoir inside the case to help remove air bubbles, but mostly for backup/easier filling of system
Large diameter high flow tubes
Looking at the XPSC RayStorm for my block
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14191/ex-blc-972/XSPC_RayStorm_High_Performance_Acetal_CPU_Liquid_Cooling_Block_-_AMD_Sockets_AM2_AM2_AM3_FM1.html?tl=g30c85s139
Pump(s) that can handle this loop

Yes, I know the radiators are going to be overkill.
I was thinking of this kind of loop though:
Reservoir> pump>140mm>cpu>360mm> reservoir
Or more practically
Reservoir> pump> cpu>140mm>360mm> reservoir

The idea behind hitting the 140mm is to "precool" the coolant before heading to the block to get rid of pump heat, or to cool it a bit before hitting the larger radiator. Any ideas for parts? This will be my first water cooling setup. I was able to hit 4.2ghz on air, but anything over 50% load and I was at safe temp limits (62°C). I have a Zalman 130mm copper heatsink.
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post #2 of 47
The "precool" idea doesn't really work as you would think, the temps equalize pretty quickly especially since you have no other stuff in the loop there isn't much point behind it. Also. More rad space isn't always better. a 240 with good fans will outperform a 360 with crappy ones.

I'd rather have a cleaner short loop for that build. Ditch the 140 and just get some good fans for the 360.
 
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post #3 of 47
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I'm eventually going to be upgrading the card to dual high end cards, and will add them to the loop.
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post #4 of 47
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Sorry, slow posting from mobile. I was debating ditching the 140mm for the sake of simplicity. I'll be getting high pressure fans if I can find them, but I also want to keep the rig silent. What radiator and pump would you recommend? I'm trying to keep the cost down, but I'll gladly pay more if it means getting a long lasting high quality pump, and one that will give me a high enough coolant flow to be able to add gpu blocks later, but not too high that the coolant passes through the cpu block too fast to absorb the heat. Any recommendations? I've read professionals that say is great, but then user reviews say the part failed, leaked, did not perform as advertised, low quality, doesn't fit properly, etc. Granted, some people are idiots and could have screwed it up with some dumb mistake, it's still cause for hesitation for me. I want to make sure I get the best setup, and the most bang for my buck.
Edited by burnoutbuster - 1/28/13 at 9:57am
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post #6 of 47
Fans: Gentle Typhoon are the best. Choose your flavor (a.k.a. speed). Most popular ones are the AP-15 at 1850 rpm. Best fans you can get for WCing. Others will also tell you cougars and noiseblockers are also pretty good.

Pump: flow is almost irrelevent to performance no matter what the pros told you. As long as you get 1 GPM of flow, you are good to go. The Koolance D5 Vario is rated by Martin as the most quiet right now and that would be plenty of power for you.

Loop order: as was already stated, your component order matters not. So long as your pump is right after your res and below it.

Rads: the Alphacool Full Copper line is the best performer right now.
Take a look at the UT60's comparative performance here.
And notice how low restriction the UT60 is here.
Best performer at all speed ranges, very low restriction, copper fins, copper tubes, copper chambers. Basically, everything that touches the water is copper. The UT60 cools so well that 3 or 4 of them will put an end to global warming.
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post #7 of 47
Thread Starter 
@deafboy, I like the looks of the kit, but I want to do a custom setup. I want a flashier reservoir, one with a large clear front and options for lighting.

@Pepe, I like the idea of all copper. I try to go with copper as much as possible with cooling. Why is it important that the pump is below the reservoir? Can it be attached to the back of it? What would you recommend for a quality pump?
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post #8 of 47
Thread Starter 
Sorry, missed the part about the pump.
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post #9 of 47
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Was looking at these reservoirs. Opinions?
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14150/ex-res-304/FrozenQ_Liquid_Fusion_Dual_Bay_Reservoir_-_UV_Red_Helix.html?tl=g30c97s152

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15656/ex-res-355/Alphacool_Repack_Dual_525_Acrylic_Reservoir_-_Clear_-_Dual_D5_MCP655_15167.html?tl=g30c97s152

And then maybe a small reservoir inside for looks, extra coolant capacity, and maybe even to help remove bubbles. Maybe a tubular helix one similar to the first posted reservoir, or something simpler. Thoughts?
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post #10 of 47
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Originally Posted by burnoutbuster View Post

@deafboy, I like the looks of the kit, but I want to do a custom setup. I want a flashier reservoir, one with a large clear front and options for lighting.

@Pepe, I like the idea of all copper. I try to go with copper as much as possible with cooling. Why is it important that the pump is below the reservoir? Can it be attached to the back of it? What would you recommend for a quality pump?

What is your actual budget then? I simply linked the kit since you said you were trying to keep costs down.
 
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