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Yes but when you are gaming you are going outside your netowrk,

Yes between you and your router, that 4ms may be 10X faster, but the lag is still from the "slow" 100Mbps connection between you and the server. And prove it then, show fraps side by side, if its worth teh $50 which could be spent on say 30 pints approx

Also another nail in its coffin, if it DOES then why was it discontinued and only available in 2 motherboards

again it isnt all about ping / latency / jitter it comes down to UDP packet transfer priority and also getting there fast enough and in order going thru the windows network stack ( windows network stack poorly does the UDP side of things ) they get jumbled around delayed and often sent out of order when UDP is one of the most vital when it comes to gaming because that is what the server uses to allocate location / spells cast / shots fired / and location shot / spell hits.

read the before linked review and you will understand it has a higher UDP transfer rate period which meens more UDP data gets injected into the network stream faster and in order unlike the windows network stack way.

by the way i dont drink so 30pints is useless to me i feel the killer 2100 was worth the money after i got it fully setup properly and trust me i will never forget how to do so.

as far as win8 i cant stand the OS so i wont run into that issue for a very longtime.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/23/13 at 4:12pm
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also facts are the killer network started moving into the router / server realm if i remember correctly .
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nope i was wrong they moved into the wirelss laptop market for gaming http://www.killergaming.com/solutions/Combo http://www.killergaming.com/solutions/Wireless LONG WITH ONBAORD GIGA lan and such http://www.msimobile.com/level3_productpage.aspx?id=374 http://qca.qualcomm.com/thewire/the-ces-2013-streamboost-demo/ streamboost is part of the killer technology that they have worked with qualacom / atheros to produce.



http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2012/1/24/how-a-once-small-gaming-company-will-change-the-way-we-network.aspx
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They were bought out but will still offer support and drivers
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For the home user 99% of all latency and jitter occurs after the router. There are a number of factors that play into this which a dedicated NIC vs an onboard NIC will not resolve. To try and prove otherwise is pointless and idiotic, as many have already stated in this thread. Where a dedicated NIC may come into play more of handling the upper layers directly is in the LAN environment, in addition this will only affect TCP communications as there is no reply sent back via UDP to state if a packet was sent out of order to the sender. You keep trying to prove your point however are ignoring the basic principles of IP and how it handles TCP vs UDP.
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Placebo affect is not the case with Guild wars 2 trust me the issue with server stutters / lag is horrible with even a Intel marvel NIC yet with the killer 2100 and latest firmware there is literaly no server lag period you know where the spell rotations just keep rotating and reprocking yet you never cast it with the killer 2100 this issue doesnt arrise trust me i have logged hours of gameplay on oem onboard and addon pcie marvel Intel NIC then i decided to grab the killer i had in another rig and retest and sure enough it fixxed most of the issue so placebo affect my @#$.

Holy wall of text, Batman!

As long as you feel good about spending your hard earned money on a NIC, that's all that matters.

For me, I rely on facts. And the fact is that packet benchmarks can be manipulated by the driver, and the driver is produced by the company marketing the card that claims better benchmarks. Go figure. Independent testing of real game round-trip latency has proven these things to be snake oil.

Greg
Edited by hammong - 5/24/13 at 3:34pm
post #37 of 77
The whole point i was trying to state is it isnt all about ping / jitter for the 50th time it is about bypassing windows network stack ( offloading UDP to a dedicated NIC NPU )to get the UDP packets on the line faster and in order the windows network stack is horrible at doing this and often sends out of order or simply delays them to much before injecting them into the stream http://www.kitguru.net/networking/zardon/bigfoot-killer-2100-gaming-network-card-review/6/ shows exactly my point a server NIC has offloading so compare the Intel dedicated NIC which was tested also has offloading and scored far better than regular onboard at both TCP / UDP transfer rates in a given time period tested with the same software that your ISP ( and US goverment ) uses to test theyre networks the killer 2100 to killer 2100 will be nearly equivalent to killer 2100 to server NIC more data injected / transfered faster on UDP / TCP meens more packets hit the line meening higher chance of the data making it to destination in a more timely fashoin regardless of the further hops it has to do it increases the chances of things getting there faster and in order.

like the before analogy 2 snipers same map same ping same everything both have dead on headshots and pull trigger at same time the killer 2100 will increase the chances of server taking your shot / kill first how is that BS or not relavent the windows network stack is horribly inefficient at the way it handles UDP packets this has been proven time and time again hince why servers use smart NPU NIC's there are certain things you have to tweak even with a killer 2100 to get it to bypass the windows networks stack the windows itself forces a form of QOS you have to disable under network adapter options properties of killer 2100 adapter ( QOS Packet Scheduler disable ) and also on the killer 2100 network software need to set TCP NO delay and also set TCP ACK Frequency to 1 and then you will see the killer 2100 doing its offloading and peak performance without these you are running the card neutered and the network offloading function of the card wont function in otherwards it will be no faster than a normal onboard NIC.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/24/13 at 3:54pm
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i am just getting upset because everyone thinks it main thing is ping and latency it isnt it is about getting the packets on the line as fast and accurately as possible that is why i am not using punctuation even when i do they dont read it so whats the point and this review / test proves it http://www.kitguru.net/networking/zardon/bigfoot-killer-2100-gaming-network-card-review/6/ does just that with legit networking testing not bs testing about FPS and ping.
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It's the type of thing you have to use to really appreciate. I have tested the card where it matters most and that is gaming, more shots fired a registered hits vs inboard and by a staggering amount. It's was also a double edge sword though as you were also more prone to being hit when using the killer 2100. Spray and play were noticeably favoured my guy. Utorrent dl at twice what my inboard speeds offered AND I have full control of EVERY programs internets usage using their software. I want to game I shut off everything with accesses the web and nothing but my game uses Internet.

All that said wasn't it about another nic or something being compared lol, pretty quiet in that NIC's corner as it looks like the killer has much more to offer
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It's the type of thing you have to use to really appreciate. I have tested the card where it matters most and that is gaming, more shots fired a registered hits vs inboard and by a staggering amount. It's was also a double edge sword though as you were also more prone to being hit when using the killer 2100. Spray and play were noticeably favoured my guy. Utorrent dl at twice what my inboard speeds offered AND I have full control of EVERY programs internets usage using their software. I want to game I shut off everything with accesses the web and nothing but my game uses Internet.

All that said wasn't it about another nic or something being compared lol, pretty quiet in that NIC's corner as it looks like the killer has much more to offer

Yeah i say the killer 2100 has alot to offer 400mhz arm processor / NPU for offloading and bypassing windows network stack and 128mb of onboard ddr2 ram for buffering and its own linux OS ( the linux OS is on another set of memory on the PCB so it doesnt break into the 128mb buffer ram ) on card you dont see many NICS with anything near what is offered on the killer 2100.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/24/13 at 7:03pm
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