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Originally Posted by djriful View Post

30 cores (HT) clock at 5Ghz, now imagine the amount of heat needs to dump.

Heat comes from voltage, not the amount of cores/GHz.

A dual core 1.5 GHz CPU at 1.4v is going to run hotter than a 2.5 GHz quad core at 1.2v
    
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Heat comes from voltage, not the amount of cores/GHz.

Not true.

Heat comes from the total power of the part. Temperature from how quickly you can remove heat.

Both core/transistor count and clock speed have a huge impact on power. Power consumption/heat production will increase roughly linearly (depending on leakage profile) with clock speed, even if voltages remain the same.
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A dual core 1.5 GHz CPU at 1.4v is going to run hotter than a 2.5 GHz quad core at 1.2v

Also not true, assuming everything else is equal.

My CPU will run much cooler at 1.5GHz with 1.4v than at 2.5GHz with 1.2v, even if I don't disable any cores.

Leakage curve is not far off linear at these low clocks and increasing clock speed by 67% adds more power, and more heat, than increasing voltage by 12.5%.
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Not Voltage, nor Hz.
Watt
Volt x Amp

Increase either one and you'll have a higher power draw (higher temps)
 
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15 cores 2,500$
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Originally Posted by Huzzbutt View Post

Not Voltage, nor Hz.
Watt
Volt x Amp

Increase either one and you'll have a higher power draw (higher temps)

What do you think determines the amperes a CPU draws?

Clock speed, leakage, and transistor count/number of cores, all other things being equal.

Changing Hz directly affects current draw.
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Increasing the cores will increase the heat, not because there are more cores - but because adding more cores will in-turn add more resistance, imperfections in current conduction and thus increasing heat.

But hypothetically if you had 100 cores with the exact same resistance, power draw etc. as 1 core you will get the same heat being given off.
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What do you think determines the amperes a CPU draws?

Clock speed, leakage, and transistor count/number of cores, all other things being equal.

Changing Hz directly affects current draw.

Increased workload tends to increase power requirements but the amount of extra power required differs. And im Guessing that the incrase in required power is logarithmic the further you push your CPU.
 
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Increasing the cores will increase the heat, not because there are more cores - but because adding more cores will in-turn add more resistance, imperfections in current conduction and thus increasing heat.

Other things being equal, more cores implies more heat, always and forever, no exceptions, ever.
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But hypothetically if you had 100 cores with the exact same resistance, power draw etc. as 1 core you will get the same heat being given off.

Yes, if you had a 100 core part where each core consumed 1% of the power of another, single-core part, they would produce the same amount of heat.

Doesn't often work this way in practice, though.

As you add more cores, you generally need tighter binning (for both controlling leakage and limiting voltage) and lower clock speeds to maintain the same power consumption/heat dissipation.
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Increased workload tends to increase power requirements but the amount of extra power required differs. And im Guessing that the incrase in required power is logarithmic the further you push your CPU.

Leakage curves certainly vary with temperature and with clock speeds. As you reach the upper ranges of clocks a part is capable of, leakage, and power consumption, tends to skyrocket.

However, at lower speeds, it can be almost linear.

Here is a good example (yes, it's slightly dated, but still applies):



Note that voltages varied by only ~50% from lowest speed to highest tested, and that core count never changed.


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15 cores 2,500$

as long as there's an 8-10core overclockable part for $600-1000 and/or a 6 core part that replaces the 3820 and is $200-300, I will be ecstatic
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