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This shouldn't be surprising. This is an ultrabook in a tablet hybrid form factor. This is no different than ANY ultrabook - the OS takes quite a bit of space.

But not 41 GB. The desktop install of Windows 8 without any unnecessary bloatware is a 20 GB for the 64-bit. That means the Surface Pro will come with 21 GB worth of crap that no one is going to use.
    
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Out of a usual 320-500GB, leaving much more than 1/3 of usable space. That's the problem here. You only get 1/3 of actual usable space. That fraction only gets better with higher capacity storage such as that that comes standard in most desktops. They're advertising it as 64GB but you only get 23 in reality. Where as with a prebuilt machine you'll likely get 500GB minimum these days and omg, you can still use 470 of that, that's... much better than 1/3.

This could of easily been solved by them either putting some internal nand/flash/etc made specifically for the recovery or even the whole OS, it wouldn't of cost them much and they could have easily eaten the costs and still made money.

No, it's still a 64GB "drive" that is in the unit. It's not like space is permanently used up. I guess MS could have shipped a "restore" thumb drive.
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This could of easily been solved by them either putting some internal nand/flash/etc made specifically for the recovery or even the whole OS, it wouldn't of cost them much and they could have easily eaten the costs and still made money.

The laws of greed dictate that it's better to save as much as possible and lose a lot in the process than be sensible and incur some costs and make much more. MS should have learned from the debacle that was Vista's launch and the horror that was ME, but alas, these fools will never learn.
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it is a pretty simple fix, if you know how to install windows...

1) Clone the main drive... no recovery
2) format the whole drive
3) push the clone back main drive

bam you just got rid of the recovery partition and you have 20GB+ back
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No, it's still a 64GB "drive" that is in the unit. It's not like space is permanently used up. I guess MS could have shipped a "restore" thumb drive.

So you can wipe the whole drive and still having a working windows 8 tablet? Well in that sense you're right, it isn't permanently used up rolleyes.gif

For any average person wanting a fancy tablet that is x86 and compatible with any of their programs they're used to and can't use RT. Then they will be indefinitely shorted 41GB from their 64GB device.
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The laws of greed dictate that it's better to save as much as possible and lose a lot in the process than be sensible and incur some costs and make much more. MS should have learned from the debacle that was Vista's launch and the horror that was ME, but alas, these fools will never learn.

Except they could of most likely gotten away with charging $50 more with no problem! If they play their cards right.

But you're right, their greed is going to kill them one of these days.
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Out of a usual 320-500GB, leaving much more than 1/3 of usable space. That's the problem here. You only get 1/3 of actual usable space. That fraction only gets better with higher capacity storage such as that that comes standard in most desktops. They're advertising it as 64GB but you only get 23 in reality. Where as with a prebuilt machine you'll likely get 500GB minimum these days and omg, you can still use 470 of that, that's... much better than 1/3.

This could of easily been solved by them either putting some internal nand/flash/etc made specifically for the recovery or even the whole OS, it wouldn't of cost them much and they could have easily eaten the costs and still made money.

Well its arguable that the space is actually usable.

The user is free to use the device as provided straight from the factory, or customise, delete included software and backup partitions as needed.
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it is a pretty simple fix, if you know how to install windows...

1) Clone the main drive... no recovery
2) format the whole drive
3) push the clone back main drive

bam you just got rid of the recovery partition and you have 20GB+ back

Why would anyone waste time on doing all this? This is why people prefer other products. MS has failed yet again.
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So you can wipe the whole drive and still having a working windows 8 tablet? Well in that sense you're right, it isn't permanently used up rolleyes.gif
But you're right, their greed is going to kill them one of these days.

How exactly did you derive at that from my comment? rolleyes.gif

You can easily remove the restore partition and other stuff to free up disk space. Just like you can do with EVERY OEM machine.

It has a smaller drive. So what? Not enough space? Buy the other model.

I don't get how they are being "greedy". They've clearly stated that you don't have the full disk space free. Their advertising is no bloody different than every other manufacturer but since it's from MS it brings on the circlejerk.
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If you are buying a Microsoft Surface Pro for $899, then...  speding $45 bucks on a 64GB microSD card, and/or a thmbdrive is hardly an issue.

 

Any type of "storage" files like music collection, movies, etc can be stored in the cloud.

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Honestly, the only reason this storage "issue" is being blown out of proportion is because people are making the mistake of comparing the Surface Pro, which is an ULTRABOOK IN A TABLET FORM FACTOR, to something like an iPad or a Nexus.

Once you get past the idea that the Surface Pro is meant to compete with an iPad, then you'll begin to see how much of a non-issue the "useable storage" fiasco really is.

And then, once people get past the whole, "okay, this is an Ultrabook with an SSD - but my PC/Ultrabook STILL doesn't eat up THAT much space," they'll need their hand held to really see what's going on here...

So, let's break it down:

- 128 GB has what, 116GB of useable storage? So:

116 GB - (9GB for your average optimized Win 8 Pro install) = ~107 GB
107 GB - (9GB recovery partition) = ~98 GB
98 GB - (~10GB for paging file, hiberfil.sys, system restore points, etc) = ~88 GB
88 GB - (3.5 GB for Office TRIAL, which is going to come pre-installed) = ~84.5 GB
84.5 GB - ~1.5 GB for misc. apps or what not and GOODNESS, 83GB!

Now, let's take away the 'bloat' and optimize our Win 8 Pro install, just like we would on ANY OTHER NORMAL PC/ULTRABOOK:

83GB + (9GB for recovery partition, + 10GB from the paging file, hiberfil.sys, restore points) = 102 GB

Maybe we even remove the full Office trial, so let's take back 3 GB to keep it even = 105 GB

So, from 116 GB of useable space to ~105GB after optimizing the install....where is the problem with this?

Oh, that's right. The reactionary responses are the problem. Or all those arguments about, "what if your average business man/joe schmo buys this and makes an uninformed purchasing decision?!?!?!"

Well, that's NOT Microsoft's problem. People can argue otherwise all they want, but your average joe schmo looking to buy a tablet and dropping $1,000+ to do so without regard to any knowledge needed to configure a full Windows OS install in an ultrabook/tablet hybrid IS NOT THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC OF THE SURFACE PRO.

This is Microsoft's first foray into tablets with their Surface line. The RT failed because it was a stripped down Windows 8 OS running on ARM and tied to the Windows App Store. The Surface Pro is being marketed for those who need UItrabook-specs with the ABILITY to also use the device as a tablet, complete with pen functionality. No one just "casually" spends $1,000, and even if people DID, and didn't know what they were buying, then one would ALSO have to assume that person isn't intelligent enough to even question WHY the storage space isn't exactly "as advertised."

TL;DR: People are completely misinformed about who the target demographic for the Surface Pro is/are, and also keep making the mistake of comparing the useability of the Surface Pro to that of an iPad.

if that weren't the case, then people would be able to right away see that, "oh yeah, makes sense for an Ultrabook in a tablet form factor."
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