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Haha what a joke, they should have left the 30-day trial of Norton Antivirus off.

Also, using Excel on a touchscreen sounds like about as much fun as typing with mittens on.
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Haha what a joke, they should have left the 30-day trial of Norton Antivirus off.

Also, using Excel on a touchscreen sounds like about as much fun as typing with mittens on.

Dun dun dun, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! rolleyes.gif
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Dun dun dun, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST! rolleyes.gif
What's the purpose of using a 64-bit OS on an appliance? Just use a 32-bit build with PAE and save the consumer like half the 64 gig drive....
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But Microsoft is obviously doing it wrong, cause what if joe schmo-average businessman buys a Surface Pro expecting it to be an iPad-like device?!?! What then when they find out they're NOT getting 128 GB (or even 115 GB) of useable storage space cause it's NOT iOS and instead is a full-blown 64-bit Windows 8 install?! Oh, the humanity! tongue.gifthumb.gif

So in essence what you're saying is, there is no other viable option for MS and this is the best way to handle it?

The article/or rather the headline is obviously a bit much, but please dont act like there isn't a significant amount of storage space that is being take up, and that werent any simple alternatives.
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What's the purpose of using a 64-bit OS on an appliance? Just use a 32-bit build with PAE and save the consumer like half the 64 gig drive....

If the consumer can't get done on a Surface Pro with a 64-bit install of Windows 8, even after optimizations to free up space AND a 64-GB microSD isn't a viable solution for increasing storage, then obviously, the Surface Pro isn't going to be a wise choice for such that consumer. There are no other tablet/Ultrabook hybrids that offer more than 128GBs of storage.
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So in essence what you're saying is, there is no other viable option for MS and this is the best way to handle it?

The article/or rather the headline is obviously a bit much, but please dont act like there isn't a significant amount of storage space that is being take up, and that werent any simple alternatives.

Why isn't here the same kind of outcry on Ultrabooks then? The end result is EXACTLY the same, and Ultrabook manufacturers do not provide other media that contains recovery and system backup partitions on them. What, is it because the Surface Pro is in tablet form? Are people still struggling to see past that?
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So in essence what you're saying is, there is no other viable option for MS and this is the best way to handle it?

The article/or rather the headline is obviously a bit much, but please dont act like there isn't a significant amount of storage space that is being take up, and that werent any simple alternatives.

The Surface pro allows for USB storage just like an ultrabook. This cannot be done with an ipad, you cannot connect an ipad to a displayport/HDMI monitor and you can't use USB storage on the ipad. Obviously that wont' stop some people from making completely silly generalizations based on form factor alone, though - especially among sheeple.

The great majority of that space for the stock installation is the recovery partition. Again, the intention is to apply that to USB media - or heck, skydrive - and delete it. Pretty simple.
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This cannot be done with an ipad, you cannot connect an ipad to a displayport/HDMI monitor and you can't use USB storage on the ipad..
I think they actually make adapters for it, but if you're comparing Surface to the other tablets, try Android.
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sheeple.
Burn! Did you come up with that by yourself?
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The Surface pro allows for USB storage just like an ultrabook. This cannot be done with an ipad, you cannot connect an ipad to a displayport/HDMI monitor and you can't use USB storage on the ipad. Obviously that wont' stop some people from making completely silly generalizations based on form factor alone, though - especially among sheeple.

The great majority of that space for the stock installation is the recovery partition. Again, the intention is to apply that to USB media - or heck, skydrive - and delete it. Pretty simple.

But it's much easier to complain or nitpick something about a device that he's not even interested in purchasing, yet he probably doesn't share the same viewpoint when it comes to Ultrabooks, which deal with the exact same dilemma, just because most Ultrabooks aren't also a tablet in disguise.

Again, Microsoft is forging new ground with the Surface Pro. It doesn't need "ease of use" or the same "market appeal" that your traditional iPad and Android tablets have.

It's too early to designate what is or isn't a smart marketing maneuver, and to be honest, i'm sure Microsoft explored other options for freeing up the recovery partition from the main drive and putting it elsewhere, but probably didn't care enough about the issue because, again, they're not targeting your traditional tablet crowd and can reasonably assume that everyone knows that the space limitations are going to mirror that of a full Windows 8 Pro install + recovery partition on a 128GB SSD, just like any other Ultrabook or laptop/PC out in the market right now.
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Wow, you wrote so much to refute something that very few people have actually complained about. This whole marketing problem lies with the 64 GB version where almost two thirds of the space it taken up, not the 128 GB version, where the proportions are the exact opposite - one third is used, you get two thirds of space free - it's not really the same thing - the second situation is a lot more reasonable, the first isn't. This is why nobody complains that a Laptop comes with the recovery partition on the HDD - because relatively speaking, the amount of space taken by the recovery partition on a 320 - 500 GB HDD, is much, much smaller than TWO THIRDS of the storage space. Even Ultrabooks of this price range come with a 128 GB SSD, so proportionally speaking it's a much more reasonable situation.

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Three kinds of people in this thread
1. Those who hate on MS, call it an unacceptable outrage etc etc.
2. Those who say they understand why it is the way it is. But MS should have done something about it as "41GB of 64 used" sounds extreme.(Recovery on external SDXC/ provide external memory along with it/allow uninstalls of unwanted software)
3. Those who believe MS should not be explaining or changing anything, while hating the haters.


Exactly. Some people here will just defend Microsoft like there's no tomorrow and admit to no fault on their part; also to them these tablets will only be used by power users, who know exactly what to do to reclaim disk space and won't be annoyed that their first experience will be to buy a big enough SD card and learn how to move the recovery partition to the card - hardly the best consumer friendly experience.

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But Microsoft is obviously doing it wrong, cause what if joe schmo-average businessman buys a Surface Pro expecting it to be an iPad-like device?!?! What then when they find out they're NOT getting 128 GB (or even 115 GB) of useable storage space cause it's NOT iOS and instead is a full-blown 64-bit Windows 8 install?! Oh, the humanity! tongue.gifthumb.gif

So in essence what you're saying is, there is no other viable option for MS and this is the best way to handle it?

The article/or rather the headline is obviously a bit much, but please dont act like there isn't a significant amount of storage space that is being take up, and that werent any simple alternatives.


There are, but people insist on excusing Microsoft. Personally, I couldn't care less, I know what to do if I were to get one, but not everybody cruises tech forums and just likes to have a good experience from day one, and this product is supposed to be the big thing for Microsoft, so if they had just absorbed the cost and bundled an SD card with the recovery partition for both models, we wouldn't be having this conversation. This is "Part 1: making a good first impression." With the next iteration of Surface Pro, with the entry level version having a 128 GB SSD and the high end having a 256 GB SSD, they could much more easily get to "Part 2: get away with bundling the recovery partition on the SSD, because proportionally speaking, it's much more reasonable than the current situation with the 64 GB model."
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So in essence what you're saying is, there is no other viable option for MS and this is the best way to handle it?

The article/or rather the headline is obviously a bit much, but please dont act like there isn't a significant amount of storage space that is being take up, and that werent any simple alternatives.

In terms of "handling it", I think the problem here is whether Microsoft actually believe it to be as much of a problem as you do, if at all.

Again, there are multiple skus for a reason.

If somebody needs to have the storage, they will be buying the 128GB version.

For people who don't need the storage like the tonnes of people out there who barely use a computer for much more than watching YouTube/Shopping/MS Office, the 23GB free isn't going to be a big deal to them.

If one day they decide they're going to fill up on media or what not, they can put in a 64GB micro SD card, upload to skydrive, or whatever.


Also, if the recovery partition and bundled applications can be removed to create more space (things people have been doing on Windows for decades), then I'd have to argue against the assertion that said space is not "usable".

The ~9GB lost due to standard formatting from a 64GB drive? That is unusable. Literally.

Space free to be manipulated in the same way that it has been on any Windows computer for the past how many decades? Quite usable.
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