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Actually, when formatting an NTFS volume it needs that space for its internal data structures. I'm assuming that was what he was referring to.

I'm fairly certain NTFS doesn't take up 9GB. My Kingston 240GB Kingston HyperX shows a measured 223GB of usable space and 240GB is 223.5 Gibibytes (according to an online calc I used), meaning there is very little overhead from NTFS.

A "GB" (giga-byte) can refer to either base 10 (usually in hard-drives) or base 2 (usually for memory).
A "GiB" (gibi-byte) always refers to base 2.

Hard-drive space is almost always reported in base 10. (1 GB = 10 ^ 9)

However, a computer uses base 2. (1 GiB = 2 ^ 30)

So the difference in a hard-drive GB to a computer GiB is (10 ^ 9) / (2 ^ 30) or 0.931322574615478515625

The result is a ratio and can be used for any conversion from base 10 bytes to base 2 bytes.


So for a 64GB hard-drive, only 59.6GB will show up on the computer because you were only give (10 ^ 9) * 64 bytes instead of the advertised (2 ^ 30) * 64 bytes.

For a 1TB (1,000 GB) hard-drive, only 931.3GB are actually given.

After that, the space taken up by NTFS is relatively non-existent.
The NTFS uses a MFT (master file table) to store its contents.
The MFT contains 16x 1KB entries for the NTFS system itself and another 1x 1KB entry each for each folder and file.

For instance, if you had 400,000 files and 100,000 folders then the MFT would take up roughly 530MB.

On a 64GB OS drive that is completely full, the MFT should be below 1GB.
Even on a 1TB drive, the MFT should be below 2GB. Unless you have it full of large files, in which case it would be much much smaller.
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I had a feeling someone would say that smile.gif, your right, but i think attaching a keyboard to a table sort of defeats the purpose.

I think it is very well designed first-party by Microsoft, so it works fine I would say smile.gif
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having used a Transformer Prime, it really doesn't. It just enhances it's versatility. I would imagine that would be even better with a fulls blown Windows 8 tablet hybrid like the Surface Pro.

I agree smile.gif
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having used a Transformer Prime, it really doesn't. It just enhances it's versatility. I would imagine that would be even better with a fulls blown Windows 8 tablet hybrid like the Surface Pro.

My idea about tablets is that once you start adding a keyboard, and don't get my wrong the Transformer prime super slim, your losing a tablet and getting more of a desktop feel.

Maybe its just because I don't particularly like touch screens.
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My idea about tablets is that once you start adding a keyboard, and don't get my wrong the Transformer prime super slim, your losing a tablet and getting more of a desktop feel.

Maybe its just because I don't particularly like touch screens.

Leave the keyboard in your briefcase/backpack, use it as a tablet on the go. Attach it in the office or at home, use it as a laptop/desktop. That is the direction Microsoft wants to go as a convertible tablet, carving out a new market that they have toyed with making, but never were serious about until now.
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it's really convenient to be able to attach a keyboard when necessary, it essentially becomes a full blown laptop at that point.
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At the end of the day it is what it is. Should they have tried to take up less SSD real estate especially on the 64GB model? Probably, but I'm sure there was someone at MS that decided they had to do it the way they did it. That's really irrelevant because the tablet design is finished. The only question is what will consumers do about it? I, for one, would simply buy a 64GB USB drive and call it a day. Or maybe not, considering that I have a 16GB Touchpad right now that I haven't even managed to fill up yet...
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It's like hard drives saying 1tb, you get 930gigs, it's technically right but people get upset about that haha just the way it is advertised

Common misconception

What we buy as 1 TB is actually 1 TiB even STEAM measures Data sizes in MiB and GiB
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It is normal that the OEM install takes up alot of space.

What i do find wierd is why use a tablet with desktop functionallity while u do not have the space to install desktop apps.

With an i5 and that GPU u can play some cool games, but no space to install it on.

There are 1TB usb sticks that are fast enough to use as a internal HDD ...
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I've been waiting forever for the surface tablet to come out so I could tell everyone what a letdown it is..
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I've been waiting forever for the surface tablet to come out so I could tell everyone what a letdown it is..
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