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Whats "right" in this case is subjective. Apple assumes you don't know anything about computers, Microsoft doesn't. The less dumb people using Windows, the better.

Completely agreed.

I like some apple products (I have an iPhone 5, ipod, and an ipad) but when it comes to the macbook or imac, I hate them. I don't like closed systems and closed software for desktops.... I feel way more restricted when using OSX as compared to Windows; hardware wise macs are a joke - both because they're closed and they suck for gaming.

Seeing as the macbook is the closest competitor to the surface pro (NOT the ipad), I would easily take the surface pro over the macbook anyday. The surface pro is a fully functional computer with x86 compatibility, in a tablet form factor, I want one.

Closed systems (such as Apple iMac designs) benefit idiocy and cluelessness. People who don't mind getting their hands dirty with upgrading, prefer open/customizable hardware - prefer windows PCs. It also goes without saying that macs suck for gaming - it takes a 2900$ imac which still has an inferior GPU to any desktop you can build for 1200$. The 680M is still horrible by desktop standards. And that piece of junk costs 2900$. For a 680M. rolleyes.gif
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http://www.zdnet.com/surface-pro-versus-macbook-air-whos-being-dishonest-with-storage-space-7000011009/
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This is the type of thing Apple gets right, and Microsoft doesn't understand. All these little things add up, and alienate people to your product.

Whats "right" in this case is subjective. Apple assumes you don't know anything about computers, Microsoft doesn't. The less dumb people using Windows, the better.

It's sad but true. But even the trouble shooting is garbage on mac OS. OMG!!!!! Don't get me started on that.
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I'd use this as my avatar if it was still legible as an avatar lol.

Really does go to show how malleable the general consumer is though.

Take the fact that a full Windows operating system takes up hard disk space, just like always did and re-structure it to say "Surface only leaves x amount of usable storage!!" and all of a sudden you have headlines.

And you know how much we all love headlines.
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I'd use this as my avatar if it was still legible as an avatar lol.

Really does go to show how malleable the general consumer is though.

Take the fact that a full Windows operating system takes up hard disk space, just like always did and re-structure it to say "Surface only leaves x amount of usable storage!!" and all of a sudden you have headlines.

And you know how much we all love headlines.

Like I said many times in this thread, it's the cool thing to bash Microsoft and jump on the hate wagon these days, for no good reason.

A lot of people just read the headlines, don't even think twice about it and that's pretty much it....WHOOSH! Just goes right over some people's heads. Makes you wonder if you're actually reading a thread on OCN sometimes with some of the things people say....and of course, when facts and math are presented, everyone that couldn't wait to throw their 2 cents in and cry out before just disappear back into the woodwork...too predictable! biggrin.gif
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I'd use this as my avatar if it was still legible as an avatar lol.

Really does go to show how malleable the general consumer is though.

Take the fact that a full Windows operating system takes up hard disk space, just like always did and re-structure it to say "Surface only leaves x amount of usable storage!!" and all of a sudden you have headlines.

And you know how much we all love headlines.

Like I said many times in this thread, it's the cool thing to bash Microsoft and jump on the hate wagon these days, for no good reason.

A lot of people just read the headlines, don't even think twice about it and that's pretty much it....WHOOSH! Just goes right over some people's heads. Makes you wonder if you're actually reading a thread on OCN sometimes with some of the things people say....and of course, when facts and math are presented, everyone that couldn't wait to throw their 2 cents in and cry out before just disappear back into the woodwork...too predictable! biggrin.gif

Truth be told, I think in all fairness that the problem most people have is with the 64 GB version of the Surface Pro that comes with way too little free storage relative to total storage space. With the 128 GB model the situation is the exact opposite - you go from only having one third of free space to having two thirds of free space.

Having said that, it seems that people defending Microsoft usually bypass this argument altogether and just jump on the "look at the 128 GB version" argument, when the headline for this thread is not about the 128 GB version.

Personally, I couldn't care less, but this is not good marketing for Microsoft. They should have just absorbed the cost of a flash drive with the recovery partition. Causing a first good impression is all that matters. When Surface 2 Pro is released with the entry level model being 128 GB and the high-end being 256 GB they can go back to putting the recovery partition on the SSD, nobody is going to complain then because free storage space is much more reasonable at stock.
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Truth be told, I think in all fairness that the problem most people have is with the 64 GB version of the Surface Pro that comes with way too little free storage relative to total storage space. With the 128 GB model the situation is the exact opposite - you go from only having one third of free space to having two thirds of free space.

Having said that, it seems that people defending Microsoft usually bypass this argument altogether and just jump on the "look at the 128 GB version" argument, when the headline for this thread is not about the 128 GB version.

Personally, I couldn't care less, but this is not good marketing for Microsoft. They should have just absorbed the cost of a flash drive with the recovery partition. Causing a first good impression is all that matters. When Surface 2 Pro is released with the entry level model being 128 GB and the high-end being 256 GB they can go back to putting the recovery partition on the SSD, nobody is going to complain then because free storage space is much more reasonable at stock.

You're still missing the point - regardless of the amount of storage space, the same problem will be inherent.

Yes, the leftover space is less than on the 128gb but in reality, it's still proportional, and one can expect close to 40gb of free space when all is said and done on the 64gb model.

Besides, MS is looking for people to buy the 128 over the 64, considering that they manufactured less of the 64gb version in this first run.

People buying the 64gb should already know that space is going to be tighter with a full Windows OS install, and that's really the bigger issue at hand. There is a microSDXC slot and a USB 3.0 slot if those people need more storage, but otherwise, if just having a Win 8 Pro hybrid is the main concern, the 64gb model should more than suffice.
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Truth be told, I think in all fairness that the problem most people have is with the 64 GB version of the Surface Pro that comes with way too little free storage relative to total storage space. With the 128 GB model the situation is the exact opposite - you go from only having one third of free space to having two thirds of free space.

Having said that, it seems that people defending Microsoft usually bypass this argument altogether and just jump on the "look at the 128 GB version" argument, when the headline for this thread is not about the 128 GB version.

Personally, I couldn't care less, but this is not good marketing for Microsoft. They should have just absorbed the cost of a flash drive with the recovery partition. Causing a first good impression is all that matters. When Surface 2 Pro is released with the entry level model being 128 GB and the high-end being 256 GB they can go back to putting the recovery partition on the SSD, nobody is going to complain then because free storage space is much more reasonable at stock.
Using the chart above, OSX takes 22.7% of the 128GB drive. Using the number in Base 2, (~119GB), OSX uses 27.04GB. So yeah...that's pretty hefty on a 64GB SSD, just like Windows....

So, what to take away from this? If you want space, don't get a 64GB drive.
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You're still missing the point - regardless of the amount of storage space, the same problem will be inherent.

Yes, the leftover space is less than on the 128gb but in reality, it's still proportional, and one can expect close to 40gb of free space when all is said and done on the 64gb model.

Besides, MS is looking for people to buy the 128 over the 64, considering that they manufactured less of the 64gb version in this first run.

People buying the 64gb should already know that space is going to be tighter with a full Windows OS install, and that's really the bigger issue at hand. There is a microSDXC slot and a USB 3.0 slot if those people need more storage, but otherwise, if just having a Win 8 Pro hybrid is the main concern, the 64gb model should more than suffice.

Actually you're the one missing the point - the problem is not the same and it's not inherent because nobody complains about recovery partitions on laptops with 320 or 500 GB HDDs because relatively speaking the recovery partition is a small percentage of the used space, which makes it irrelevant in the mind of the consumer, it's a non issue.

The point is that on the 64 GB model the chance for people to be badly impressed by having 50% or less of available space, requiring them to have or purchase a 16 GB flash drive to move the recovery partition to, is higher than for those who buy the 128 GB model.

Yes, people who want more free space should buy the more expensive model, that is obvious, but it's also obvious it's a bad marketing strategy to sell a PC that is specifically advertised with its storage capacity in the name for consumers to then realize that half or more than half is not readily usable.


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Using the chart above, OSX takes 22.7% of the 128GB drive. Using the number in Base 2, (~119GB), OSX uses 27.04GB. So yeah...that's pretty hefty on a 64GB SSD, just like Windows....

So, what to take away from this? If you want space, don't get a 64GB drive.

The same principle applies to Apple. I don't own, nor have ever owned nor intend to own a single device made by Apple, so I guess I can be coherent, just in case you're wondering. But truth be told, they don't advertise their MacBook Air with the SSD capacity in the name like Microsoft does. The problem is that Microsoft is advertising the Surface Pro as tablet makers advertise their tablets, but forgets that the two most popular OSes powering tablets use far less storage space than Windows 8, and this is Microsoft's main marketing problem with the 64 GB Surface Pro.

Personally, I would simply opt for another naming scheme to avoid part of the problem, and also provide a flash drive with the recovery partition.
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