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I seriously need worthy advise. I continually stalk 'Hardware' forums trying to survive the onslaught of information you guys tend to classify as simple. So I thought, in stead of trawling myself to death, and giving into the the oblivious nature of being not-so-bright at computers, I thought I'd through some information at the good folks we know what they are talking about and hope for some relief in terms of answering the question "Why does my PC not perform as well as I had hoped it would when I put it together."

I, over the course of my recent existence, in a very nervous way I might add, put together a rig, hoping for performance over worry. This took me a few years of nibbling at my Wallet only to come to the conclusion that I do not know what I'm doing. So let me begin with my components and a brief description of things I've done hoping to be a Legend like all you folks, and ending up short.

ASUS P8P67 Deluxe - Plain standard motherboard with lastest BIOS 3602 - No PCI-Express 3.0 - Cougar 750 Watt PSU

Intel Core i7 2600 - No K's available at the time of an earlier upgrade - but still managed to overclock to 4.2 GHz on stock cooling - Temperatures under stress are not good, but even without overclocking at 3.4 GHz the temperatures remain similar under stress, so why do something with what I have - Ambient temperatures at 40+ Degress with and without overclocking

MSI NVIDIA Geforce 670 Power Edition - Overclocked a tad, as gets unstable very quickly - GPU Clock 1113 Mhz Boost + 1802 Mhz Memory - 313.95 Beta Installed

16 GB Patriot G2 DDR3 1600 - Currently sitting at 1120 MHz (7-7-7-20) to mediate CPU overclock

Western Digital 3TB Caviar Black 7200RPM SATA3 HDD - Current OS HDD - Choose this over a SSD due to storage requirements

Windows 7 Premium 64-bit OS - Optimized to the max - Defragged on a daily basis and maintained by the usual suspects

Now for the mission statement: What's missing or needs to change? OS performance is excellent, but Games underperform according to the common man's PC. Strange thing is, I felt that my old Gainward NVIDIA Geforce 570 Golden Sample GLH performed as well as my current card in games, if not better, but then again, my ambient temperatures seemed to be lower back then and overclock more stable under pressure. What may be causing my system to buckle under the pressure.

Should I invest in a good CPU cooler to reduce the heat, and wil better overall temperatures help with performance at all? Any brand suggestions?

Should I Invest in faster or more reliable memory? Temperatures shoot through the roof if I increase the clock? Will better Ram improve Gaming performance? Any brand suggestions?

Will my PC survice without a non-K processor? or is this not a neccessity?

How can I get better overclocks on the MSI NVIDIA Geforce 670 Power Edition? Voltage tweaking doesn't seem to help? Does this need a BIOS update?

Will an SSD really help? I prefer a drive I can bounce files around on, especially my program files, but I understand this not good practice on SDD?

I guess this my proclaimation of dependence. I need some superior advise. Some of you could get a 386 to outperform my PC! I'm need serious tuning, course my one eye has begun peeking at the cupboard in which I store my rusty PS3 since the PC fix kicked in.

Somebody help me out before my wife forces me to grow up! All comments and advise are welcome.
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~snip~

Absolutely get a cooler. Depending on how high your temps get, you'll start to throttle. SSDs do not like to be written to more than necessary, but they absolutely improve the quality of life of any PC. I wouldn't recommend defragging on a daily basis with one, though.... in fact, don't do it at all tongue.gif

What are your temps under things like Prime95? Keep a CPU-Z window open and monitor your clock speed.
Edited by Syryll - 1/29/13 at 1:26pm
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Nevermind, I missed it.

(And I know how it feels to have a rig that doesn't perform as you want it to.... see my sig)

What makes you feel like it isn't working as intended? FPS, ect
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Don't defrag everyday, that's how you kill an SSD tongue.gif
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He doesn't have an SSD at the moment, but that is true don't defrag a SSD.
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Originally Posted by Syryll View Post

Absolutely get a cooler. Depending on how high your temps get, you'll start to throttle. SSDs do not like to be written to more than necessary, but they absolutely improve the quality of life of any PC. I wouldn't recommend defragging on a daily basis with one, though.... in fact, don't do it at all tongue.gif

What are your temps under things like Prime95? Keep a CPU-Z window open and monitor your clock speed.

Yeah, I'm aiming to get a Cooler - My temps are in the 80s before and after overclocking crazilly enough - Its probably the thermal gel or maybe the readings are off for some reason - They were never this hot the last time overclocked.
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Nevermind, I missed it.

(And I know how it feels to have a rig that doesn't perform as you want it to.... see my sig)

What makes you feel like it isn't working as intended? FPS, ect

I feel your pain - I wouldn't say the FPS - Just compared to before with the old card - Things felt more responsive - or maybe I was just expecting too much after my last upgrade. Haha
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Don't defrag everyday, that's how you kill an SSD tongue.gif

I had a SSD once - It just bombed after a while - Never defragged, just copied files around often - Guess that's the reason it bombed!

You guys reckon a memory upgrade is needed as well?
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I doubt you would get much from extra memory,

It might be your hard drive, but that would cause other issues.

This is a tricky one....

Any other problems with the rig that would help me diagnose the problem?
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I doubt you would get much from extra memory,

It might be your hard drive, but that would cause other issues.

This is a tricky one....

Any other problems with the rig that would help me diagnose the problem?

Performance all around is all good - Just seems to be the all round Gaming experience which feels sluggish - I'm worried about the tenperature, the unstable memory I cannot get close to its intended speed and GTX which is unable to overclock over a few Mhz - I have a slight feeling that an earlier BIOS update may have caused the temperature problem - and also that some form of additional BIOS update may help with the GTX problem - In terms of symptoms - In windows, cannot say there are any problems - The only sympton that kills me in having to turn down settings in most Games before it feels less sluggish. You think an SSD would really improve the smoothness in Games?
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SSD will cut down load times, but I am not sure it would solve the problems.

What temps are you getting on the GPU?
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