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First, if you could use the "RIG BUILDER" (top right of the site) to fill in your current specs and then put it in your signature, it would be immensely helpful! Also, are you located in the US or elsewhere? Your country of residence can dictate what is available to you in terms of parts...

Going off what you've given so far, here's what I PERSONALLY would do (and I have been wrong plenty, just ask my girlfriend!):

1) RULE OUT SOFTWARE PROBLEMS! If necessary, re-install Windows after backing-up everything important to external devices & "the cloud".
I am very suspicious of "performance-enhancing" software, such as registry cleaners/defragmenters, etc, but I am also very curious about them biggrin.gif Therefore, I use my laptop (what I'm typing on now) as a test-bed for such programs. Many are absolute junk, not worth the 1's and 0's they're coded from....but there are some that actually do a halfway-decent or even GOOD job at what they say they're going to do! Here's a list of a few that I can highly recommend:
GENERAL PROGRAMS/CLEANERS:
- CCleaner (system-wide cleaning of Crap, as the first "C" actually stands for "Crap"; also cleans out bad registry entries, etc. I trust it more than anything else!)
- CCEnhancer (download this as an adjunct to CCleaner, as it updates the "definition files" for CC, adding hundreds more programs for CC to whittle away at)
- BleachBit (similar to CCleaner, and is actually updated by CCEnhancer as well; it is a very lightweight program, and I like it bc it will often find a few things that CC missed, and vice-verse)
- Eusing Tools ("Eusing Cleaner" and "Eusing Registry Cleaner" specifically, as I have found they are very thorough but not overzealous, allowing you to back-up your registry before you do anything)
- Revo Uninstaller (will ACTUALLY uninstall programs, not just give you fancy lines and percentage points)
- Spybot Search&Destroy 1.6.2 *NOT Version 2.0* (best free spyware cleaner around, IMO, and combined with Windows Defender/Firewall and Microsoft Security Essentials, you have a Trifecta of Malware-busting awesomeness!)
- WinMend Registry Defrag (actually helps, not "joke-ware"...)
- PC De-Crapifier (gets rid of bloat-ware and the like, very effectively!)
DEFRAG TOOLS:
- O&O Defrag Free Edition/Pro Edition (one of the best disk defrag tools, period!)
- Puran Disk Defrag/Cleaner/Tools (another fantastic defrag program, and the company also makes a very decent disk cleaner; one of my favorites for its optimization options such as leaving small gaps between files and sorting via frequency of use, available under "additional operations")
- UltraDefrag (lightweight and very powerful!)
- Auslogics DeFraggler (popular and effective disk defrag program)
- MyDefrag (lightweight and powerful)
- PerfectDisk (you get a trial for 30days, same as the next on the list, and it actually works in the background to prevent fragmentation; some like it, some don't)
- Diskeeper (similar to PerfectDisk, you get a trial period; it's pretty darn good, but I have only used the Trial Version)
- Smart Defrag 2 (it's, uhhh... an intelligent defrag program? just kidding, but it really does work great)
MISC TOOLS:
- Driver Sweeper (can save your butt if you are diligent about running it after/before un-/installing drivers, does a much deeper clean than anything else I know of!)
- Wise Disk Cleaner (nice GUI, decent amount of options, and approaches cleaning from a few angles; effective)
- Wise Registry Cleaner (same as above but for your registry, includes a Registry Defrag tool!)
- System Ninja (lots of various options for cleaning/tweaking/optimizing, and there are various plug-ins to further enhance its functionality)
- FireFox Browser (if you want, I can give you the link to my Add-On Collection; it's the culmination of YEARS of tweaking to get the lightest but most powerful browser possible! I get NO spyware/adware, and the browser is noticeably faster!)

I would GUT your drive, just clean clean clean, optimize optimize optimize, defrag defrag defrag.... Ensure that you have all Windows Updates installed, and cut down on ANYTHING that isn't needed! I have gotten into the habit of sorting my folders by "Last Accessed Date", and if there's something I haven't used in a while (and it's "disposable"), I remove it! I also remove ALL "old" file installations, i.e. when I download a new version of Chrome, the previous installer gets deleted.
Once everything is sparkly-clean, have PURAN DISK DEFRAG do a "BOOT TIME DEFRAG", which will allow it to access a lot of files/areas that can't be accessed once inside Windows.

Ironically, I just did a "big clean" last night, focusing on the Hard Drive... I have a 320GB WD3200BVEC (Scorpio Blue 5400rpm 2.5") HDD in this laptop, and it is usually about 55-65% full. I managed to clean up 7,918.45MB, removed ~2200 invalid registry keys, compacted/defragged the registry reducing its size by 9.8% ("sped up registry access by 22.9%"), and went from ~8GB of fragmented files to absolutely NO fragmented files (thank you, Boot Time Defrag!).
HD Tach/Tune + CrystalDiskMark (1000MB, 5 Runs) Results
Max Sequential R/W - Avg Sequential R/W - Min Sequential R/W - CDM Sequential R/W - CDM 512K R/W - CDM Random-4K R/W - CDM 4K-QD32 R/W Average Access Time
BEFORE: 59.2/62.1MBs 40.4/41.1MBs 25.3/27.9MBs 42.8/45.1MBs 17.9/28.3MBs 0.214/0.483MBs 0.618/0.709MBs 18.2ms
AFTER: 67.9/72.8MBs 54.4/58.1MBs 34.2/36.5MBs 66.8/66.7MBs 27.3/37.9MBs 0.451/1.129MBs 0.998/1.212MBs 15.1ms

Significant Improvement!!!
   
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post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

First, if you could use the "RIG BUILDER" (top right of the site) to fill in your current specs and then put it in your signature, it would be immensely helpful! Also, are you located in the US or elsewhere? Your country of residence can dictate what is available to you in terms of parts...

Going off what you've given so far, here's what I PERSONALLY would do (and I have been wrong plenty, just ask my girlfriend!):

1) RULE OUT SOFTWARE PROBLEMS! If necessary, re-install Windows after backing-up everything important to external devices & "the cloud".
I am very suspicious of "performance-enhancing" software, such as registry cleaners/defragmenters, etc, but I am also very curious about them biggrin.gif Therefore, I use my laptop (what I'm typing on now) as a test-bed for such programs. Many are absolute junk, not worth the 1's and 0's they're coded from....but there are some that actually do a halfway-decent or even GOOD job at what they say they're going to do! Here's a list of a few that I can highly recommend:
GENERAL PROGRAMS/CLEANERS:
- CCleaner (system-wide cleaning of Crap, as the first "C" actually stands for "Crap"; also cleans out bad registry entries, etc. I trust it more than anything else!)
- CCEnhancer (download this as an adjunct to CCleaner, as it updates the "definition files" for CC, adding hundreds more programs for CC to whittle away at)
- BleachBit (similar to CCleaner, and is actually updated by CCEnhancer as well; it is a very lightweight program, and I like it bc it will often find a few things that CC missed, and vice-verse)
- Eusing Tools ("Eusing Cleaner" and "Eusing Registry Cleaner" specifically, as I have found they are very thorough but not overzealous, allowing you to back-up your registry before you do anything)
- Revo Uninstaller (will ACTUALLY uninstall programs, not just give you fancy lines and percentage points)
- Spybot Search&Destroy 1.6.2 *NOT Version 2.0* (best free spyware cleaner around, IMO, and combined with Windows Defender/Firewall and Microsoft Security Essentials, you have a Trifecta of Malware-busting awesomeness!)
- WinMend Registry Defrag (actually helps, not "joke-ware"...)
- PC De-Crapifier (gets rid of bloat-ware and the like, very effectively!)
DEFRAG TOOLS:
- O&O Defrag Free Edition/Pro Edition (one of the best disk defrag tools, period!)
- Puran Disk Defrag/Cleaner/Tools (another fantastic defrag program, and the company also makes a very decent disk cleaner; one of my favorites for its optimization options such as leaving small gaps between files and sorting via frequency of use, available under "additional operations")
- UltraDefrag (lightweight and very powerful!)
- Auslogics DeFraggler (popular and effective disk defrag program)
- MyDefrag (lightweight and powerful)
- PerfectDisk (you get a trial for 30days, same as the next on the list, and it actually works in the background to prevent fragmentation; some like it, some don't)
- Diskeeper (similar to PerfectDisk, you get a trial period; it's pretty darn good, but I have only used the Trial Version)
- Smart Defrag 2 (it's, uhhh... an intelligent defrag program? just kidding, but it really does work great)
MISC TOOLS:
- Driver Sweeper (can save your butt if you are diligent about running it after/before un-/installing drivers, does a much deeper clean than anything else I know of!)
- Wise Disk Cleaner (nice GUI, decent amount of options, and approaches cleaning from a few angles; effective)
- Wise Registry Cleaner (same as above but for your registry, includes a Registry Defrag tool!)
- System Ninja (lots of various options for cleaning/tweaking/optimizing, and there are various plug-ins to further enhance its functionality)
- FireFox Browser (if you want, I can give you the link to my Add-On Collection; it's the culmination of YEARS of tweaking to get the lightest but most powerful browser possible! I get NO spyware/adware, and the browser is noticeably faster!)

I would GUT your drive, just clean clean clean, optimize optimize optimize, defrag defrag defrag.... Ensure that you have all Windows Updates installed, and cut down on ANYTHING that isn't needed! I have gotten into the habit of sorting my folders by "Last Accessed Date", and if there's something I haven't used in a while (and it's "disposable"), I remove it! I also remove ALL "old" file installations, i.e. when I download a new version of Chrome, the previous installer gets deleted.
Once everything is sparkly-clean, have PURAN DISK DEFRAG do a "BOOT TIME DEFRAG", which will allow it to access a lot of files/areas that can't be accessed once inside Windows.

Ironically, I just did a "big clean" last night, focusing on the Hard Drive... I have a 320GB WD3200BVEC (Scorpio Blue 5400rpm 2.5") HDD in this laptop, and it is usually about 55-65% full. I managed to clean up 7,918.45MB, removed ~2200 invalid registry keys, compacted/defragged the registry reducing its size by 9.8% ("sped up registry access by 22.9%"), and went from ~8GB of fragmented files to absolutely NO fragmented files (thank you, Boot Time Defrag!).
HD Tach/Tune + CrystalDiskMark (1000MB, 5 Runs) Results
Max Sequential R/W - Avg Sequential R/W - Min Sequential R/W - CDM Sequential R/W - CDM 512K R/W - CDM Random-4K R/W - CDM 4K-QD32 R/W Average Access Time
BEFORE: 59.2/62.1MBs 40.4/41.1MBs 25.3/27.9MBs 42.8/45.1MBs 17.9/28.3MBs 0.214/0.483MBs 0.618/0.709MBs 18.2ms
AFTER: 67.9/72.8MBs 54.4/58.1MBs 34.2/36.5MBs 66.8/66.7MBs 27.3/37.9MBs 0.451/1.129MBs 0.998/1.212MBs 15.1ms

Significant Improvement!!!

Thanks for all the suggestions. I am a stern user of optimization programs myself. Re-installing Windows was my first plan of action, and did improve performance slightly. I use CCleaner and CCEnhancer myself. Really like those programs! Also use PerfectDisk for constant Defrags and even Boot defrags, have TuneUp for certain optimization functions CC doesn't offer. I'm a software dependant dude like yourself and appreciate the list. Definately one or two I will look into myself. Spybot is legend as well. One thing though, your Mozilla addons would be nice to know about. Thats always something I've wanted to look into, but never got the chance.
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Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
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WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
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55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
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Thanks! I'm gonna give them a try. Am also installing an SSD today. The CPU cooler is coming soon!
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Sounds like user error to me. You definitely installed something incorrectly. Temps are definitely too high for stock. Sandy Bridge runs really cool, for you to be hitting those temps mean you did something wrong. You should be running your ram at their rated speeds, otherwise you are causing bottlenecks with your other components. Getting an aftermarket cooler for a locked chip seems pointless, even with that 4.2 you were hitting it will only be on one core. As soon as more cores are loaded it drops down.

Best bet here is to sell the non-K 2600 and pick up a 2500k instead (you wont see a difference in gaming, and you can overclock). Grab a Hyper 212 Evo. Install everything again, checking all your connections making sure you seat everything properly. Try a fresh install of Windows, perhaps on an SSD. Overclock the 2500k to 4.5GHz, and set that ram to 1600MHz. Then open up the 670 Overclocking Guide here on this forum and give that a go too.

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post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ View Post

Sounds like user error to me. You definitely installed something incorrectly. Temps are definitely too high for stock. Sandy Bridge runs really cool, for you to be hitting those temps mean you did something wrong. You should be running your ram at their rated speeds, otherwise you are causing bottlenecks with your other components. Getting an aftermarket cooler for a locked chip seems pointless, even with that 4.2 you were hitting it will only be on one core. As soon as more cores are loaded it drops down.

Best bet here is to sell the non-K 2600 and pick up a 2500k instead (you wont see a difference in gaming, and you can overclock). Grab a Hyper 212 Evo. Install everything again, checking all your connections making sure you seat everything properly. Try a fresh install of Windows, perhaps on an SSD. Overclock the 2500k to 4.5GHz, and set that ram to 1600MHz. Then open up the 670 Overclocking Guide here on this forum and give that a go too.

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Thanks for the advise.

Didn't do the build myself, and nothing has changed in the box besides the GFX since the temperatures were normal, hence me opening this thread - Anyhow, the idea of a cooler is simply to sort the temperatures out - In terms of getting another CPU - Cannot find any 2500Ks around here - Those CPU's are off the market, only Ivy Bridge 3550K's - and stores here do not stock older chips - Tried looking for one with no luck - So I guess there is gonna be an upgrade in the future.

I have unclocked the GFX now, cause the Guide you mentioned fails to help improve things - Scores in Benchmarks are better, but ingame there is no change really - Once the temperatures are cooler I'll think about upping the ram again.
post #27 of 30
Here is a pretty nice guide on OCN with some tweaks to improve general performance.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/0_60#

If your going to reinstall your OS on an SSD I would at least do the following things to improve base performance:

Disable UAC
Disable Search Indexing
Disabled Hibernation
Set Page File to 512MB
Run Windows Update
Change Power Options
Run Windows Experience Index Assessment
Disable Unneeded Services
Disable Unused Windows 7 Features
Disable the Unwanted Visual Effects

I have noticed that just changing windows features has a slight impact on my gaming performance, that or its a placebo effect and makes it feel like it helps.

Edit: I also use PC TuneUp Utilities 2012 to get rid of crap and turn off unwanted/unneeded services and start up programs. Also cleans the registry and will tweak windows for increased performance. It will stay running in the background and every few days it will correct registry issues and minor problems on its own. I have enjoyed using it and have recommended it to a few friends and family members who have enjoyed it.
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OK folks. Done a few things and have seen some improvement, but not as much as I hoped. So a contigency plan is in place and some advise is required, if possible.

Firstly, let me say I have financial limits enforced, so had to make a few spur of the moment decisions.

Grabbed an OCZ Vertex 4 SSD to run my OS off of. Was on special, so jumped into that without any pre-thought. Additionally, had to make a choice about a CPU cooler. Had modest choices, due to finances, grabbed an Cooler Master 812 TPC which was on special, but seems pretty good temperature wise after assaulting the thing with some modest overclocking. Didn't really have choice, because stores in my area are very cooler master dominated, and all other cooler manufacters are way over-priced here. But I'm happy with the temperatures anyhow.

There has definately been an imrpovement, but I think, with overclocking, and can actually make a difference here. As I have i7-2600, it can be overclocked somewhat, but not at all well. So I guess I'm thinking of grabbing a new CPU. Now this is the problem comes in. Its really hard to find any Sandy Bridge processors over here. Checked with a few suppliers, and waiting for availability of either the i7-2600K or i7-2700K. Don't believe I'm gonna find those in stock anywhere. Even checked second hand options, but no luck. I'm in South Africa, which makes things hard, and ordering stuff from overses in tough, and I have been messed around before. So this leaves me with the i7-3770K which is easily available here.

I know Ivy bridge CPUs are compatible with my P8P67 via BIOS update, which is currently on par. I just haven't heard anything good about Ivy Bridge Chips, including temperature related matters. I don't know, but has any one used a Sandy Bridge P8P67 motherboard with an Ivy Bridge CPU and actually had any success with overclocking??? If I get no Sandy Bridge options due to the age of the architecture, I'm pretty stuck with the Ivy Bridge CPUs available. I won't be able to aford a motherboard upgrade for a while. This chip purchase will cut into my savings, but the frustration of game performance is getting to me.

What are the thoughts of the PC intellectuals? If you were in my position what would you do? Remember, hardware is more expensive here, so I am limited!
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If game performance is the primary goal, then a more powerful graphics card is in order. A CPU upgrade will not give you much of a boost in frame rates at all, but anew GPU certainly will.
   
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LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
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Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
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If game performance is the primary goal, then a more powerful graphics card is in order. A CPU upgrade will not give you much of a boost in frame rates at all, but anew GPU certainly will.

Thanks for the response. So, an MSI 670 PE is no good then? Card seems OK, but you reckon I should sell my two month card and get a better card.

Anyhow, I tried overclocking the thing and have noticed a little boost. Still not happy though. Modded Skyrim still doing my head in, and some others are not playing as they should.

One thing though, strangely, I used to have a Gainward 570 Golden Sample GLH card, with much lower GPU-Z stats, but it felt a little more interested in Game responsiveness for some reason.

I've now included all my Rig details below. Take a look and tell me where a notible Boost could be made with a change.
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