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I typed up a lot more in the OP about /67/z68. I feel like its too long but i really already tried shortening it down. partly because I know I'm going to get haters saying 'omg why would you buy p67/z68 for ib just spend $100+ bro' and the focus is for people on a budget. This whole thread is for people on a budget, really. I just got lucky and found the UD5h for $79, and microcenter having a bunch of quality boards at $100, otherwise I would have definitely bought p67/z68. In fact I still considered it but it began to be extremely complicated to figure out and look up every single motherboard on p67/z68 .

I mean there's tons and tons of motherboards out there, and with the way pricing is on these things, it wasn't like there was 5 choices at $60-80, it was like 40 boards being sold around the price range, not to mention slightly defective or used or discounted higher end boards (P67 Sabertooth goes for about $70, for example, and sometimes you might see something like a p67/z68 with a pci clip chipped off selling for cheap, bent pins, etc).

Googling a motherboard p67/z68 + ivy bridge will generally get you tons and tons of posts from about early 2012 when IB first came out about people saying their X motherboard wasn't working with IB and how the sky was falling. What you don't find, is anything from people saying "Gee the problem is fixed, thanks for the updates, my p67/z68 is running super smooth with ivy bridge now!". Just the nature of these things... That, and most people who bought a p67/z68, just stuck with Sandy bridge instead of getting an Ivy bridge, and the majority of people who bought an ivy bridge, were buying a new system and didn't have sandy bridge so got a z77 board, as a year ago p67/z68/z77 were all the same price.

In fact at a lot of places, like newegg for example, their p67/z68 boards are the same price as comparable z77, which makes no sense at all. Used prices are really low on p67/z68 though, and some places sell off p67/z68 for really cheap (like geeks.com). It's not as clear cut as Z77, where it's like "Okay at $100 there's 5 motherboards and only 3 of them are really considerable", it's more like "wow a crap motherboard and a $200 motherboard and everything in between are within $50 if it's used or etc, or if it's in mint condition that same p67 will be the same price as a comparable z77".
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I have a G1 sniper 3.

Here are the features:
6+2 (doubled to 12) phase VRM
good MOSFETs (not IR3550 level, though)
Full control of the digital VRM
full voltage frequency and timing control
dynamic vcore
you can use C states when overclocking
POST LED (very helpful)

Great onboard audio
4 way SLI
PLX in direct connect
4 marvell SATA ports

I also have a lot of knowledge about the EVGA Z77 FTW
It has:
8 phase VRM (although sin's hardware says it's 7)
IR3550 MOSFETs
full frequency and voltage control
no dynamic vcore
no intel C states when overclocking
some memory stability issues
POST LED

4 way SLI
PLX

also, doesn't the UD3h have a 6+2 phase PWM
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No need to post the sniper but i'm surprised your EVGA ftw is lacking in features. So... with no dynamic vcore, does that mean the board essentially lacks offset voltage control? What do you mean memory stability issues?
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also, doesn't the UD3h have a 6+2 phase PWM

I think it's 4+1 but could be wrong. It's pretty hard to tell what phase is what, you can't just straight up count the chokes. Especially on intel systems, some of the chokes/phases are dedicated to iGPU, some are IMC, sometimes there's a doubler involved that makes things confusing.... Also you dont know if it's a 4+1 or 3+2, et cetera...

Really we should all just stop going by phase count and go by amperage or something... although that's only half the story as how the vrm manages the load is a big part of it too.
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No need to post the sniper but i'm surprised your EVGA ftw is lacking in features. So... with no dynamic vcore, does that mean the board essentially lacks offset voltage control? What do you mean memory stability issues?
The EVGA only had a fixed voltage. You have to disable all Intel C states to overclock.

Also, everone on the EVGA forums was angry about how it was really hard to get your memory past 2133Mhz on that board, especially with 4 DIMMs. EVGA says they're trying to fix it, but looking at how long spelling errors were in the BIOS, I would doubt that they are trying very hard.
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I think it's 4+1 but could be wrong. It's pretty hard to tell what phase is what, you can't just straight up count the chokes. Especially on intel systems, some of the chokes/phases are dedicated to iGPU, some are IMC, sometimes there's a doubler involved that makes things confusing.... Also you dont know if it's a 4+1 or 3+2, et cetera...

Really we should all just stop going by phase count and go by amperage or something... although that's only half the story as how the vrm manages the load is a big part of it too.
This is my go to for VRM info:
http://sinhardware.com/images/vrm.jpg
I think you can tell the number of phases from the driver unit and the number of listed phases. For example, the Asrock Extreme 4 has a 6 phase driver unit but lists 8 phases, so from that you can tell that it would be a doubled 4 phase, confusingly enough.

From what I can tell:
a higher true phase count helps reduce ripple.
Doubling the phases allows them to transfer more current/less current per MOSFET.
Better MOSFETs allow them to transfer more current. (IR3550 are best from what I can tell)
Better chokes and caps probably help with ripple as well.
Edited by Art Vanelay - 1/30/13 at 8:43pm
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Gigabyte's GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 is really popular among the Customac crowd for Sandy bridge stuff (i7-2600k/i5-2500K)

However I read it has massive Vdroop?

Only 4+2+1 phase though frown.gif

P.S. I think Sata3 is important, USB3 is important (because otherwise you get crap transfer rates on SSDs and USB 3 drives)

Also I think ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 was going around $140? I saw a few on craigslist for $100-120 when I was looking for Z77

EDIT: also It doesn't really matter if it's 6+2 or 8+2, the UD3H had the OC record (http://hwbot.org/news/7577_seeing_is_believing_gigabyte_is_first_with_validated_7_032_ghz_cpu_clock_world_record_on_ivy_bridge ; http://gigabytedaily.blogspot.com/2012/05/youngpro-breaks-global-3dmark06-world.html) just like the 990FXA-UD3 (http://hwbot.org/forum/showthread.php?t=66763)...
Edited by AlphaC - 1/30/13 at 9:07pm
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How about the MPOWER?
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I think you can tell the number of phases from the driver unit and the number of listed phases. For example, the Asrock Extreme 4 has a 6 phase driver unit but lists 8 phases, so from that you can tell that it would be a doubled 4 phase, confusingly enough.

I dont think it has a doubler, that would be a good thing. it's linking 2 low quality mosfets to make one big, medium quality mosfet., with a bad driver.
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P.S. I think Sata3 is important, USB3 is important (because otherwise you get crap transfer rates on SSDs and USB 3 drives)

Someone with a Sata 3 SSD is likely not trying to penny pinch and go for a used p67 board on ebay. But if you want to get into it...

Sata 3 isn't really a noticeable improvement, because what makes SSDs is largely random 4k write/read. The only things that saturate sata2, like sequential write, are used less than 1% of the time and with really, really big files (ie big ssd, big expensive ssd). You will have a much bigger performance gain having a better SSD than running sata 3 vs 2. p67/z68 board soften have sata3 anyways, it's just a matter of native control, in which case marvell may be slightly worse. But again, we're talking about insignificant, unnoticeable gains even in the best case scenarios and largest of discrepancies.

USB 3.0... I mean I've never used an external hdd ever. I'm sure most people making overclock/gaming rigs aren't using them either. If you are using them, you'll know you'll need usb 3.0. Even if you use external drives, so you really need your usb3.0. Again, if you got external usb3.0 drives, you probably aren't penny pinching for the difference of marvel vs native.
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How about the MPOWER?

if someone could provide info on them that'd be great :X
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

I dont think it has a doubler, that would be a good thing. it's linking 2 low quality mosfets to make one big, medium quality mosfet., with a bad driver.
I'm just going off what it says on Sin's hardware. They list it a as a true 4 phase that is doubled to an 8 phase.
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I know you are reading off sins and sin says it's not a doubler. He says the extreme6 and other better boards, usually use a doubler, but in place the extreme4 just links them.
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