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okay here is the latest list: http://sinhardware.com/images/vrm.jpg
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Originally Posted by Belial View Post

if someone could provide info on them that'd be great :X

MSI mpower is an amazing board. They stress test it with prime 95, OC'ed intel 3770k watercooling with some gfx cardx (I think 680) For 24 hours before shipping, so it's guaranteed to work.

Many easy overclocking options, thickest heatpipe out of all mobo's and not that expensive for so many overclocking options.

Alot companies say "OH, extra durable, etc" but this is what sells me at MSI's Military Class :

"All Military Class III components have passed MIL-STD-810G certification, making MSI's Military Class III components synonymous with premium quality and ultimate stability."

I also read somewhere that the testing is done by a third party, so iot's not biased.

Here's a great critical review, don't want to go too in-depth here.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/28/msi_z77_mpower_lga1155_motherboard_review

MSI website:
http://us.msi.com/product/mb/Z77-MPOWER.html#/?div=Overview

Newegg Website:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130660
Edited by RhoSigmaTau - 1/31/13 at 4:06pm
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MSI's military stuff is marketing just like ultra durable, really. Ultra Durable isn't a gimmick, right now they have the highest output per phase among any other Z77 board. They also do a lot more stuff you don't see on other boards and they don't advertise it.
Edited by Sin0822 - 1/31/13 at 4:34pm
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The aim here isn't to sound rude but that looks like a sales pitch smile.gif

Now maybe I'm just negative and don't believe them but nowhere on their site do they state the OC they run. There are 2 pretty graphs, one shows a CPU at 4.6Ghz - this alone doesn't prove anything, it's chip specific and I'd say 99% of chips can do this. While the 2nd graph is totally different which shows Prime run 24 hours instead of 3 hours (quoted against reference board - where they get this, I don't know).

What I would have expected to see is actual clock they checked under Prime 24 hours and how this proves a user can do the same. Nope, don't see that. I only see them stating ..

NOTE: Actual CPU OC performance may vary by your system config.
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MSI's military stuff is marketing just like ultra durable, really. Ultra Durable isn't a gimmick, right now they have the highest output per phase among any other Z77 board. They also do a lot more stuff you don't see on other boards and they don't advertise it.

Ultra Durable is less gimmicky to me than "Military Class"

Military Class III entails MIL-STD-810G components:
DrMOS II (3 in 1 driver MOSFET) ... only in 5 star --> 35A http://am.renesas.com/products/discrete/pmosfet/sip/device/R2J20655NP.jsp , combines high and low side mosfet + driver
Hi-c CAP ... only in 4 and 5 star
Solid caps (nothing special in mid-end/high-end motherboards)
Super ferrite chokes / SFC

Ultra Durable 5 has the PowIRstage (60A, which is supposed to be better than DrMOS II) --> IR3550 https://ec.irf.com/v6/en/US/adirect/ir?cmd=catProductDetailFrame&productID=IR3550
Ultra Durable 4 has glass fiber PCB
Ultra Durable 3 has 2oz copper PCB and 3-in-1 driver mosfet
Ultra Durable 2 (Year 2007) has Ferrite Core Choke & Lower RDS(on) MOSFET , such as PowerPak MOSFET
Ultra Durable 1 has lower ESR solid cap

Military Class III and Asus's Sabertooth branding is similar

I think DrMoS III is out? http://www.fairchildsemi.com/collateral/product_overview/Generation_III_XS_DrMOS_Product_Overview.pdf
Edited by AlphaC - 1/31/13 at 5:29pm
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The aim here isn't to sound rude but that looks like a sales pitch smile.gif

Now maybe I'm just negative and don't believe them but nowhere on their site do they state the OC they run. There are 2 pretty graphs, one shows a CPU at 4.6Ghz - this alone doesn't prove anything, it's chip specific and I'd say 99% of chips can do this. While the 2nd graph is totally different which shows Prime run 24 hours instead of 3 hours (quoted against reference board - where they get this, I don't know).

What I would have expected to see is actual clock they checked under Prime 24 hours and how this proves a user can do the same. Nope, don't see that. I only see them stating ..

NOTE: Actual CPU OC performance may vary by your system config.

Haha, I see. Of course if you derive it from the website they're going to boast the product as much as they can. Any company will do that.


Sorry, ahha I'm not trying to do a sales pitch. This is the board i currently have, and I'm quite infatuated with it.

Here's some reviews. Honestly, there are lots of negative statements from the overclockers community, but i implore you to read some reviews.

This one first. it's the most in-depth out of all of them.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/11/28/msi_z77_mpower_lga1155_motherboard_review

And here's the rest.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6694/msi-z77-mpower-review-the-xpowers-little-brother

http://www.tbreak.com/index.php/reviews/msi-z77-mpower-review

http://www.pureoverclock.com/Review-detail/msi-z77-mpower/

And, I feel for it's price (200$, 190$ after rebate) I think it's priced pretty competitively against other OC'ing motherboards.

I'm not saying it's better than Gigabyte, as you've proven that the quality is amazing. I'm saying it's a pretty amazing board.
Edited by RhoSigmaTau - 1/31/13 at 5:24pm
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The Z77 MPower is a very good board, no doubt. I should actually add it to my VRm list, i need some high quality pics. My guess is up1618 with some renesas DrMOS lol.

But yea marketing is marketing, the truth is in the components on the motherboards and in the design of the circuits, both of which have to be seen with the naked eye and overclocking results.

No offense dude, but shouldn't one of your reviewers you linked too actually take off the heatsinks to see what is under them and make sure that they are certified military class components? lol j/k that would be crazy. i just want pictures of the MOSFETs, because i just realized it isn't on my VRM list. frown.gif i already know it uses UP1618A. But if someone has the mpower and can take off the heatsinks and take a picture of the DrMOS and the side of the choke with the writing on it, I would appreciate it. There are probably 2 other small chips that say up on them, maybe up6275.

BTw the Mpower does have some cool features, like you can hit a button and you don't have to press delete on bootup. I also does use high quality components, the PCB they used is very nice, as is stuff like the 90 degree lottes USB 3.0 header, they are the only ones to have it, because it costs a lot more than a straight angled USb 3.0 header, as USB 3.0 has some crazy signal requirements.
Edited by Sin0822 - 1/31/13 at 5:57pm
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Sin0822, if you remember reflex99 did its breakdown a while ago.
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yea i totally forgot about that. thanks.

edit: updated with mpower.
Edited by Sin0822 - 1/31/13 at 7:16pm
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But the Mpower boards are still MSI boards on z77. All MSI Z77 boards lack offset voltage control, at best they only have Vdroop voltage control only.

Why would you buy an mpower when you could get a gigabyte, high end asus/asrock instead, and for the budget range I don't see anything beating out Biostar. If not biostar maybe asrock pro3, Asus LX (offset only). Biostar is the king of budget, the way I see it, asrock isn't bad at lower level, while Gigabyte, Asus, are the king of higher end. You don't buy a Toyota Spyder, and you don't buy a Porsche SUV.

I happen to have an msi g41, i'll be testing it this week though. I know but it's a build for someone else, im just tuning some near stock voltage or so oc for value. it was $19... I mean when I bought it the UD5H was $79 - and one way to look at it, it's basically $60 for ~500 mhz or so, (4.5ghz vs 5ghz on the ud5h, which is being a bit generous, but then there's memory and bclk overclocks to factor in im sure). I think for value, like actual useable performance, a $19 msi g41 is comparable to a $79 ud5h.

But for someone who actually enjoys overclocking, even just the tiniest bit, and being generous about the impact of overclock and the difference in overclocks, then the ud5h at $79 is a way better deal, hence why i got it for myself.

if that makes sense.

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rhosigma it sounds like you are just caught up in marketing lingo lol. Im pretty sure gigabyte doesnt give a rats ass to go to the military (what military? who made this designation? The military of taiwan? Oooo that means something to me, they don't even have nuclear weapons bro) and get some kind of stamp.

Kind of like the whole PSU bronze/silver/etc thing is a useless designation too that's just jumping silly hoops that's no real reflection of the PSUs actual performance or quality, and can be easily faked.

A lot of the reviews you posted are pretty questionable too. besides Sin's overviews, i almost never see good motherboard reviews. I mean it's a well known fact that gigabyte and asus, especially, as well as other motherboard companies, fudge stuff like setting the bclk at stock to 100.01 or slightly overclocking the system at stock on load and giving artificial voltage readings (so you think oh wow this board does the same oc with less voltage!) and ram overclocking, then these reviewers 'bench' the boards and say one board is better than another based on some bench score. A CPU at 4ghz is a cpu at 4ghz is a cpu at 4ghz, i mean the cache has a bigger impact than the motherboard on performance.

Motherboard is kinda like a power supply, you just want one that does the job. But unlike a psu i mean you can really push a motherboard to its limits with overclocking even just air 24/7, so having a decent motherboard can make a difference, or rather, hold you back less.
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Does anyone know if the biostar have digital power design? I dont know if there is a real advantage to this, but i have heard analog can create coil whine at certain frequencies? I

The chokes on the TZ77A look exactly like the chokes that I had on my Biostar A770E3, a $30 motherboard I bought 3 years ago for my athlon ii x3 build. Great board, for a 3+1 phase, anything less than burning out in a fire and taking out my entire system with it, would be reason to give the board 5 stars for the overclocks and volts I pushed on it (got 3.8ghz on c2 phenom, basically the max a c2 has ever gotten on ambient so great board), but it would get coil whine when the mosfets reached 90*C or above (id use duster held upside down to spot cool them to stop the whine during benching).

The TZ77A has more phases, probably at least some better stuff in there, has a heatsink (a proper one, not some sawed am2 heatsink like I used), and is for sb/ib which use less power than a phenom x4. I think for a sub-$100 or whatever board it's fine. I would imagine the quality is on par with other boards it's price level.

And coil whine has nothing to do with analogue or digital PWM. It mostly has to do with the choke quality, and a little bit about how the VRM manages itself, the drivers, phase count, et cetera (ie how well the load is managed between phases). It tends to happen when chokes get hot, the coil in them starts degrading in performance and then starts shaking too much. It makes more sense if you look at a picture of an old coil choke, which is just a ring, most modern chokes are inductors, a box but the ring is inside it). You see them in PSUs sometimes, if you look in there:





By the way, my MSI-G41 has nikos mosfets. They look 'newer', different, than the NIKOS that were on my Biostar A770E3, but they still lack low rds on. I guess I'm okay with Nikos on boards under $30 :X
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