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A lot of the reviews you posted are pretty questionable too. besides Sin's overviews, i almost never see good motherboard reviews. I mean it's a well known fact that gigabyte and asus, especially, as well as other motherboard companies, fudge stuff like setting the bclk at stock to 100.01 or slightly overclocking the system at stock on load and giving artificial voltage readings (so you think oh wow this board does the same oc with less voltage!) and ram overclocking, then these reviewers 'bench' the boards and say one board is better than another based on some bench score. A CPU at 4ghz is a cpu at 4ghz is a cpu at 4ghz, i mean the cache has a bigger impact than the motherboard on performance.
Yeah, the only good review I could actually find on my motherboard was Sin's. He overclocked to 6.6 GHz on liquid nitrogen on a G1 Sniper 3 in that review; that tells me a lot more about the board than the 5GHz that OC3D managed to achieve.

I am usually disappointed with a lot of hardware reviews; few of them are done right.
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Motherboard is kinda like a power supply, you just want one that does the job. But unlike a psu i mean you can really push a motherboard to its limits with overclocking even just air 24/7, so having a decent motherboard can make a difference, or rather, hold you back less.
Well, motherboards vary a lot more than power supplies. You just have to consider efficiency and the ability to supply power on a PSU; on a motherboard, you have to consider the audio, the VRM, the PCIe config, the chipsets, the memory stability and any other miscellaneous features.

Sometimes it's really hard to tell why one motherboard is more expensive than another, especially considering how difficult it is to find information of the power design on motherboards.
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when are you going to update the UD3H to 6+1 lol, lit is a true 6 phases, 6+1+2 the VCCSA and VCCIO are in only 1 phase, a divider is used and then it goes to both outputs.

in my reviews in the OC section I do two things. i find max air clocks which include max cpu frequency under air/water and max BCLK under same conditions. Then if I have time i get max memory clocks.

Then if I have more time and resources then I will use LN2 for mx CPU clock, and sometimes BCLK, just reviewing is a lot of work, it takes a lot of time, and the LN2 part adds a LOT of time. Most reviewers don't do LN2 because you have to dirty up the board, which makes it much harder to sell afterwards.
Edited by Sin0822 - 2/1/13 at 9:56am
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Hmm just today the asrock extreme6 went on sale at microcenter for 99.99. Looking through sin's list it scores the same as the extreme4 except on pwm complexity its get half a point higher. In the original post it is listed to have much higher quality parts than the extreme4. Is this a decent buy for 99.99?
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Well, motherboards vary a lot more than power supplies. You just have to consider efficiency and the ability to supply power on a PSU; on a motherboard, you have to consider the audio, the VRM, the PCIe config, the chipsets, the memory stability and any other miscellaneous features.

I have something to say about that.

- Audio. All boards will have decent audio, especially any aftermarket Z77. I don't think you can really tell the difference in like some g41's audio and a ud5h (i guess ill test and find out later though). I mean really, I'm running some decade old 5 cd player thing as my receiver and 2 speaker hooked up, using like a headphone line. I'm sure most people are using a similiar system. Not many people are really running like some 7.1 dolby set-up here. Even the audiophiles here, they are using high end headphones, not speaker, right?

And on top of that, I would think anyone who can really appreciate or notice the sound differences, would just buy an audio card (i mean $80 sonar + g41 is better sound than some ud5h or extreme6's soupnd im sure).

I mean I'm kinda talking out of my ass here, granted. But really, is the sound difference noticeable, and if you really cared about sound, you'd have a sound card. I mean no one gives a damn about how integrated graphics runs on one chipset board vs another (i guess that's more an AMD thing but you get the picture).

- PCIe config, i mean, 90%+ are running single gpu. you know how everyone says single > double and all. I mean I mainly use my computer for streaming h264, and none of the streaming clients have support for SLI or crossfire. You actually get worse performance with sli/crossfire than single card (like a single gtx460 is better than 2 460's for pure performance). And I've talked to the creators of xsplit, obs, ffsplit, and they have no intention of adding sli/crossfire support anytime soon. So who cards about pci config, right. Even if you did, 90% of those users are just sli/crossfire with pci 2.0 cards anyways.

like id rather get $5 back or a better vrm/cpu/overclock/ram/etc than have pci 3.0 or better slots or whatever, and i think that's true for most people. If you really need pci-e config, you probably aren't looking at motherboards that have limited overclock options or a bad vrm anyways.

- chipset. they are all the same. i dont know what chipset has to do with anything. z68 and z77 are basically the same thing, p67 isn't really any worse. Like I said, a p67 sabertooth is a much better board than a z77 extreme4 or tz77xe4 or g43 or asus lk.

- memory stability, i mean, that's a mobo specific issue. i dont know, i never really looked into memory stability issues. that's more like a few boards out there are really bad apples.

When I look for a motherboard, and I'm probably a 'power user', i stress the board and use more features than 90% of the general public and probably more than many overclockers and enthusiasts... all I care about is the ability to overclock. I would say I also care about 'does my **** fit"... as in does the cpu fit, is there a single gpu slot, does it take ddr3 ram, which you dont exactly have to scratch your head to try to figure out.
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Hmm just today the asrock extreme6 went on sale at microcenter for 99.99. Looking through sin's list it scores the same as the extreme4 except on pwm complexity its get half a point higher. In the original post it is listed to have much higher quality parts than the extreme4. Is this a decent buy for 99.99?

It's actually $49 bundle, not 99. or maybe you mean $99 without bundle.

The ud3h is slightly cheaper (its on a slight sale right now). I'm not sure what's better though, i would think they are about equal and go with the ud3h for price but im not sure. There's so many sales going on, i mean an extreme6 at $49/99 is a great price but mc also has sales on other boards so you really gotta compare it to the other stuff that they have on sale.
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when are you going to update the UD3H to 6+1 lol, lit is a true 6 phases, 6+1+2 the VCCSA and VCCIO are in only 1 phase, a divider is used and then it goes to both outputs.

My focus is more on the options/features/unwritten limits of boards than the VRM, but given the scope of the thread I think it's only natural that I include SLI and VRM. Edited.
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But the Mpower boards are still MSI boards on z77. All MSI Z77 boards lack offset voltage control,



rhosigma it sounds like you are just caught up in marketing lingo lol. Im pretty sure gigabyte doesnt give a rats ass to go to the military (what military? who made this designation? The military of taiwan? Oooo that means something to me, they don't even have nuclear weapons bro) and get some kind of stamp.


Thanks for trashing my statement without doing any research at all. Not even wikipedia. Not even bothering to copy and paste it into google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810

It's a United States Military Standard, not Taiwan.

And these standards look pretty thorough to me, through a quick glance.

"These components have all passed through rigorous MIL-STD-810G testing performed by third-party laboratories, including extreme temperature, humidity, pressure, shock, and dropping etc. totaling 7 tests,"

I do understand that it also says that many companies can use this term to their advantage. However, just pointing out how you could have done some research instead of trashing me so quickly.

BTW ASrock, Gigabyte, Asus, Msi, Biostar, they are all companies based in Taiwan. I don't think it's right for you trash Taiwan like that.

Also, Taiwan has the capability to produce mass weapons of destruction. There's a reason they don't though. China states that they will declare attack on Taiwan if Taiwan is found to posses nuclear weapons. Not that great of an incentive, eh?
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I find it hard to believe that MSI has each and every board individually inspected to make sure everything is military grade.

If they do it certainly doesn't reflect on their prices.
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Dude MSI board aren't actually tested like that, just they buy components which meet that standard, and only for certain things.


The parts on the MSI board that have the certification are:
the DrMOS
the Inductors
The capacitors(both tantalum and solid)
It says it right on their site, the one thing that it would be good to have that cert for is their DrMOS as it is the most likely part to break out of those components.

Also TW has its military mostly due to the US, they have a very strong ability to defend themselves, they prob have the same standards as the US military as they use the same equipment.

BTW guys RhoSigmaTau really likes his board, don't fight him about it, it is a very well built board. It only has one thing it can't do and that is offset mode overclocking, which many people don't bother with anyways, and they have some LLC offset that they say helps in that regard.
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It only has one thing it can't do and that is offset mode overclocking, which many people don't bother with anyways

Which really is a shame, in my eyes its the best way to overclock, with all the power saving features enabled.

Your PC is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
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Which really is a shame, in my eyes its the best way to overclock, with all the power saving features enabled.

Your PC is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Yeah, if you're doing an every day overclock, it's definitely better to not push volts through the chip constantly. I still haven't had time to set up an offset on my chip yet. I'm only at 1.295V though, so it doesn't really matter that much.
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I find it hard to believe that MSI has each and every board individually inspected to make sure everything is military grade.

If they do it certainly doesn't reflect on their prices.

it's only for MSi z77 MPOWER that it's hand tested.
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BTW guys RhoSigmaTau really likes his board, don't fight him about it, it is a very well built board. It only has one thing it can't do and that is offset mode overclocking, which many people don't bother with anyways, and they have some LLC offset that they say helps in that regard.

Haha yeah...I'll try to be objective though. NO biased thoughts. I was just a bit ticked, as Taiwanese is my nationality.
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