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The Biostar TZ77A was listed, can someone tell me if there is any difference between it and the TZ77B? I can't seem to tell the difference other than the heatsinks look different.
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But the Mpower boards are still MSI boards on z77. All MSI Z77 boards lack offset voltage control,



rhosigma it sounds like you are just caught up in marketing lingo lol. Im pretty sure gigabyte doesnt give a rats ass to go to the military (what military? who made this designation? The military of taiwan? Oooo that means something to me, they don't even have nuclear weapons bro) and get some kind of stamp.


Thanks for trashing my statement without doing any research at all. Not even wikipedia. Not even bothering to copy and paste it into google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIL-STD-810

It's a United States Military Standard, not Taiwan.

And these standards look pretty thorough to me, through a quick glance.

"These components have all passed through rigorous MIL-STD-810G testing performed by third-party laboratories, including extreme temperature, humidity, pressure, shock, and dropping etc. totaling 7 tests,"

I do understand that it also says that many companies can use this term to their advantage. However, just pointing out how you could have done some research instead of trashing me so quickly.

BTW ASrock, Gigabyte, Asus, Msi, Biostar, they are all companies based in Taiwan. I don't think it's right for you trash Taiwan like that.

Also, Taiwan has the capability to produce mass weapons of destruction. There's a reason they don't though. China states that they will declare attack on Taiwan if Taiwan is found to posses nuclear weapons. Not that great of an incentive, eh?

Chill out dude, it was a joke. It's been established that 'military standard' is marketing goobledygook. How can you be so gullible lol. You realize that means nothing, right? They 'rigorous testing' is cherrypicked on components, because I can tell you for damn sure there's either a)no way in hell that nikos mosfets are 'military tested' or b)military testing doesn't mean ****. Overclocking is a lot harsher on a VRM than running stock in the desert, you realize that right? There's a difference in a high end piece of equipment that'll break if you so much as look at it but can handle extreme voltage and temp fluctuations, and a piece of equipment that'll survive being submerged in water or sand.

They are probably, if anything, testing the chokes they use. The chokes are fine. The chokes on most boards are never a problem. The problem on VRMs is the mosfets and driver mosfets. In which case MSi uses crap, they have a history of it.

Really dude, you are taking it way too far. It's marketing bs. If msi is military tested, then gigabyte/asus and biostar/evga/asrock are seal team 6 tested. It doesn't mean anything. The military doesn't buy MSi boards or 3570ks. They buy ******* dells dude, piece of craps with shock absorbant padding, sealed watertight, less moving parts, etc. Big difference.

If you really want to entertain this marketing BS and assume it's true - you are comparing the classifications of a Ferrari and a Humvee. Ferrari will break apart in fallujah, while a humvee would just die if it somehow made it to 250mph, which it can't do.

Seriously. Look at msi boards. Nikos mosfets. You gotta be blind to buy this military class crap. Either military class means nothing or they aren't testing the components that need to be testing. Just learn something about mosfets and look at the board, its blatantly obvious.

and i didnt' trash taiwan, it's a joke. if you took 2 seconds to read it instead of skimming it and jumping to get pissy about something, you'd realize how absurd the comment is.
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MSI uses D-PAKs only on low end stuff like G41 and G45. GD55 and up is good stuff like Renesas DrMOS.
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MSI does get hammered a lot because of the MSI AMD boards, the intel boards are much better. As pointed out above, their lower end boards aren't the greatest (& some have limited OCing options), their mid range & high end boards compete with the best though.

The whole military class thing is marketing, they aren't bulletproof. No better or worse than comparable boards from other manufacturers as far as overclocking goes. They do lack the offset control (there's supposed to be a different way to get similar low power idle) but a lot of people (like me) don't use it even on boards that have it.
    
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Chill out dude, it was a joke. It's been established that 'military standard' is marketing goobledygook. How can you be so gullible lol. You realize that means nothing, right? They 'rigorous testing' is cherrypicked on components, because I can tell you for damn sure there's either a)no way in hell that nikos mosfets are 'military tested' or b)military testing doesn't mean ****. Overclocking is a lot harsher on a VRM than running stock in the desert, you realize that right? There's a difference in a high end piece of equipment that'll break if you so much as look at it but can handle extreme voltage and temp fluctuations, and a piece of equipment that'll survive being submerged in water or sand.

They are probably, if anything, testing the chokes they use. The chokes are fine. The chokes on most boards are never a problem. The problem on VRMs is the mosfets and driver mosfets. In which case MSi uses crap, they have a history of it.

Really dude, you are taking it way too far. It's marketing bs. If msi is military tested, then gigabyte/asus and biostar/evga/asrock are seal team 6 tested. It doesn't mean anything. The military doesn't buy MSi boards or 3570ks. They buy ******* dells dude, piece of craps with shock absorbant padding, sealed watertight, less moving parts, etc. Big difference.

If you really want to entertain this marketing BS and assume it's true - you are comparing the classifications of a Ferrari and a Humvee. Ferrari will break apart in fallujah, while a humvee would just die if it somehow made it to 250mph, which it can't do.

Seriously. Look at msi boards. Nikos mosfets. You gotta be blind to buy this military class crap. Either military class means nothing or they aren't testing the components that need to be testing. Just learn something about mosfets and look at the board, its blatantly obvious.

and i didnt' trash taiwan, it's a joke. if you took 2 seconds to read it instead of skimming it and jumping to get pissy about something, you'd realize how absurd the comment is.

Yeah, I understand now. However, I couldn't tell at first.

Haha yeah. I'm new to this whole computer building thing - i built my first computer only a few months ago.

Now that all that's aside, I understand your point.

Misunderstandings happen. No bad blood, k? D:
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MSI uses D-PAKs only on low end stuff like G41 and G45. GD55 and up is good stuff like Renesas DrMOS.

Yea but 'military standard' is put on just about everything MSi, including the g41 and g43 boards. That's what I was getting at.

That, and the fact there is no voltage offset control on Z77 msi boards, makes them a non-choice unless it's super ridiculously cheap.
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Yea I love taiwan man. fight the commies.
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Yea but 'military standard' is put on just about everything MSi, including the g41 and g43 boards. That's what I was getting at.

That, and the fact there is no voltage offset control on Z77 msi boards, makes them a non-choice unless it's super ridiculously cheap.

Yea. That's just false advertisement. Although they still use "military" chocks on cheaper boards, but well it's marketing. Up to a consumer to find this stuff out.

Offset is not critical for most overclockers. It is a new thing anyway that was introduced, I believe, with LGA1155. Old days we all used fixed voltage, and it all worked well for years. But if it's critical for you, just ignore MSI.
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Yea. That's just false advertisement. Although they still use "military" chocks on cheaper boards, but well it's marketing. Up to a consumer to find this stuff out.

Offset is not critical for most overclockers. It is a new thing anyway that was introduced, I believe, with LGA1155. Old days we all used fixed voltage, and it all worked well for years. But if it's critical for you, just ignore MSI.
IMO, an offset voltage is a really nice feature to have. It preserves the life of your chip.

The whole "military grade" and "ultra durable" things are just a gimmick; I just ignore them.
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How much does it help? The longest I have used a CPU on fixed voltage for a bit more than 4 years. 1.32v to be exact, and it was Q6600 running 3.2 to 3.6 Ghz. To my knowledge, it still works. Unless you are keeping for 10+ years, you shouldn't be worried about that at all since it's going to become outdated before it dies.

It also definitely doesn't help if one runs folding on a CPU 24/7 lol. So yes, depends on the way you use your PC.

Ultra durable is not gimmick. Gigabyte's marketing is one of the few that actually makes sense. It is a way to summarize all different stuff that Gigabyte has on their boards. If one happen to know what Ultra Durable means, it basically tells you 60% of stuff that particular Gigabyte board has. Not that boards of the other manufacturers don't use the same stuff, but there is no easy way to find it out.
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Intel Core i5 3570K Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H EVGA Geforce GTX 780 Classified Crucial Ballistix Sport 2x8GB 1600Mhz CL9 
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Samsung 830 Western Digital WD1001FALS Samsung HD753LJ ST3300822AS 
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Western Digital RED 3 TB Custom Loop Lamptron FC Touch Windows 8.1 update 1 Professional 
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Dell P2414H CM Storm Quickfire Rapid Red EVGA G2 1000W Cooler Master Cosmos II 
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