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I think the question will be will it realize its own existence and its creators. I am not going into evolution vs creation argument, but it would be funny if the robots came to the conclusion that they were evolved.
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@snoball - a neuron will either fire or it wont that's true, but they have connections with thousands of other neurons, each one can contribute to the decision to fire or not. For example it might not get a large enough input to fire from a single neuron activating but if a cluster of them activate that can then add up to cause them to fire. So they can have pretty fine control over activation. The rate at which that can be activated is also limited.

@b3machi7ke - Was meant to make the point its not just some giant black box that works by divine inspiration. Learning and evolving is just a software issue for a computer. Also the brain did work as a purely binary system you have 100 billion or so neurons that each can have like 10000 connections, giving a number of connections up around the 100 trillion mark, that you would have to map and identify its connections and functions, so even then it wouldnt be a trivial task to replicate the human brain.

@cloud - wouldnt be hard to make an argument that they have evolved if they get to the point where they can question their own existence. They have come thru successive generations with those that are found to have traits that are suitable move onto the next generation and pass down their traits. Plus who is gonna argue with a T-800 haha.
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This is pretty cool. I wish funding like this was more common. Just think about it, a computer the power of a brain. It'll be faster, incapable of error and would never distort information.




I can't wait. Although, what happens when we turn it on and it says "hello". If it obtains sentience, can we simply "turn it off"?
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I could find nothing in the article regarding the accuracy as to how the simulation will be conducted (neuron interaction, hormone effects), but one has to question if this could result in something conscious and sentient. It is definitely a philosophical/religious argument to determine if something is conscious, but this could raise ethical concerns if this simulation does breach that barrier.

But, interesting project nonetheless. I'll look forward to whatever medical advances they get from it.

No, it can't become sentient or conscious.

It cannot feel anything, and it's not aware of its surroundings. Even if it was, it wouldn't be awake.
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It can never be truly conscious. Through very complex and intricate algorithms that are backed by a massive amount of computational power, it may be possible to simulate consciousness, but at the end of that day, it will be just that. Algorithms, developed by humans.

So the method of creation is what determines the legitimacy of a conscious being?
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So the method of creation is what determines the legitimacy of a conscious being?

Regardless of how it was created, it's still just a simulation of a brain. It doesn't have cognitions to make, either.
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Regardless of how it was created, it's still just a simulation of a brain. It doesn't have cognitions to make, either.

How can you be sure? When does a simulation emulate the original so well that it become equal to it, or maybe even better?
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How can you be sure? When does a simulation emulate the original so well that it become equal to it, or maybe even better?

You then would account for personalities, preferences, experience, knowledge, and common sense.

Take a baby, from birth the infant instantly begins to take a different personality different than their parents. Not only would this emulation need to account for the cognitive portions of the brain, but also personality and emotions. Could a robot fully understand what death is without having to be programmed to "know" about it? We know from experience, could an emulation account for no knowledge by learning from experience?

Also, would an emulation be able to take on a different personality form other than it was programmed?
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A computer only has the moral of those who created it... but perhaps if the creator double crosses it, there would be consequences!
    
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Not sure if want computers to think like people..... thinking.gif
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