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Why would you want to emulate something with so many flaws.

Because despite, it's flaws it's still an incredible machine, and is at the core of what makes us what we are.

If we are to improve ourselves, we need to understand ourselves better.
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Most humans cause them self pain and crave over lust and other things based around the senses I don't see much of a point in recreating a human brain.

These phenomena are worth recreating and examining too, regardless of one persons perception of their value.
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I also don't see this being possible because the brain changes from second to second and grows in different ways depending on how you use it I don't see this being possible with a hunk of metal and chips..

What's the fundamental difference between a hunk of brain and a hunk of metal and silicon?

The mind is what the brain performs. There is nothing to suggest that a different kind of computer could not perform the same task, even if there is initially quite a bit of overhead from emulation.
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But what makes us think that we are not created?

Because we don't need to be, and we haven't discovered anything to suggest that we were. Nor would such an assumption answer more questions than it raised (e.g. where did our creator come from?)

It's not something that's been ruled out, but in the context of this argument, it's irrelevant. Whether we were incidental or intentional has no bearing on our desire or ability to duplicate such a feat.
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Anyone who thinks that three pounds of fatty mush in their skull, as it is now, will never be outdone by an artificial computer, in every conceivable way, is an arrogant, short-sighted, fool.
If it can do what our brains do, it is conscious; our consciousness is nothing but the very physical interactions within a very physical, and very finite, object.

Doesn't matter who or what developed it. Eventually we will be able to understand, recreated, and improve upon the human brain, and that understanding won't detract from it's power.

If it cannot do what our brains do, then it is not a complete simulation.
He was wrong.

Not to say that I think any individual person will have complete understanding of any whole brain equivalent to their own, but we will understand the brain quite completely, sooner or later.

No single person could possibly fully know and understand, in detail, exactly how that CPU in your sig system works (there is no one on this planet that could draw the complete layout of a 2500k from memory, no matter how much time they are given), but that doesn't mean there are not groups with that collective knowledge and a very firm understanding of it.
All of this.

Also simulation != emulation. Emulation is where it's at, and we can't even emulate very simple organisms yet.

http://www.jefftk.com/news/2011-11-02
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Why would you want to emulate something with so many flaws.
So we can surpass it.
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Most humans cause them self pain and crave over lust and other things based around the senses I don't see much of a point in recreating a human brain.
To cull the useful parts.
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I also don't see this being possible because the brain changes from second to second and grows in different ways depending on how you use it I don't see this being possible with a hunk of metal and chips.
Don't be afraid of this. This is very feasible. It's only a matter of having hardware powerful enough, and the proper software / data.
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If anything I see this as being a souped up robot.
Yeah... well you know that's like, uh... your opinion, man.
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Even if they did manage to do this by 2025 whats so amazing about the average brain?
The first two things that come to mind are higher level visual and language processing functions. Imagine being able to have a genuine conversation with a true A.I. Imagine being able to integrate our degree of visual processing into software.
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It is wasted with thoughts such as "I'm hungry", "When will I have the money to buy that?", it creates self narratives and so on honestly the human brain isn't so impressive when you get down to it all that it does is cling to a few senses and goes after them.
I guess you don't value human life, then.
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Pre-determined just isn't the right word. It insinuates that the future is already decided by a being of sentience, while what he's trying to say is that it's more of an unstoppable motion.

Consider how much we've discovered, and proven, using the laws of physics -- the universal language to decrypt and predict what happens and will happen in this universe. It's nearly undeniable that everything is governed by some mathematical certainty; don't you think it's arrogant to think our "free will" is the exception to that? It seems more likely that all things, ourselves included, are just the result of a set of circumstances within a set of rules -- physics. Consciousness, while being a preferable perception of all this, can't exist if you believe in the scientific understanding of the universe. It's more like you're a witness to your existence, than a governor.
With that perspective, it's easier to see lesser or different types of "conscious minds" as valid. Human's only put value in other forms of sentience via empathy, usually, so it's natural to dismiss a "mind" created by us as invalid. Still, the validity of one's existence can only truly be known to themselves'.

Unstoppable motion is the same as determinism, only difference is the created one that tells us that determinism is a theological, meta physical word.

I don't believe in free will as it requires a centre of thought thats unaffected by the world, A child in the cave.
We can not reproduce the universe, nor simulate it. At best we can be scientific about it and do what Popper told us to do, only that which is falsifiable can be true.
Well he also talked about the separation of mind and body through quantum indeterminacy, This might be a possible but that would only mean that we are detached from the "physical objects of the physical world" not the laws of physics. The human mind is constrained by what it can percieve, we can not "create" coherent things in our mind that bends the laws of physics, ie all that we can think of is dependant on the world as we know it. For exmple, we can write the word "nothing" but we can't fathom nothing as it is incongruent to our own.
But if we can create an entity who isn't constrained by the human bodys senses, a thing which doesn't smell, see, touch, feel, taste or hear. Give a most basic set of commands, like "do" or "utilize all power to create falsifiable but coherent theories" That entity would probably come up with the notion that it exists in a 3D universe and that time increases enthropy but ti would never be certain of it as it cannot observe it thus it would never stop and in the end, what it produces will be free from the constraints of our universe. A child in a cave.
 
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Mmm, ghost in the shell. Now things get interesting.
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All of this.

Also simulation != emulation. Emulation is where it's at, and we can't even emulate very simple organisms yet.

http://www.jefftk.com/news/2011-11-02
So we can surpass it.
To cull the useful parts.
Don't be afraid of this. This is very feasible. It's only a matter of having hardware powerful enough, and the proper software / data.
Yeah... well you know that's like, uh... your opinion, man.
The first two things that come to mind are higher level visual and language processing functions. Imagine being able to have a genuine conversation with a true A.I. Imagine being able to integrate our degree of visual processing into software.
I guess you don't value human life, then.

I don't value this research. It's based around ignorance.

They're recreating a human brain something that isn't even as good as a 20 year old computer chip at mathematics and is very simple and really only serves to function the body and crave to it's demands and clings to the body.

I just don't see a point in developing all of this technology it's just clinging to craving more technology and wanting more things it reminds me of a person that is never satisfied with what they have and craves more.

They would be better off using this money to improve our educational system so that they would teach students how to handle real life stress and sitatuions a long with how to find true happiness.

Society teaches us that true happiness comes from obtaining materialistic objects such as this robot instead of looking within where it really lays within.

I'm glad that I will die long before technology and robots completely take over as by that time finding true happiness when everyone is wanting more and more will be nearly impossible with the way that society is heading.

Most people care more about whether some aliens exist or about space than they do about the well being of their own selves or the people around them, extreme examples of this would be the mainstream physicists that you hear a lot about.
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Unstoppable motion is the same as determinism, only difference is the created one that tells us that determinism is a theological, meta physical word.

I don't believe in free will as it requires a centre of thought thats unaffected by the world, A child in the cave.
We can not reproduce the universe, nor simulate it. At best we can be scientific about it and do what Popper told us to do, only that which is falsifiable can be true.
Well he also talked about the separation of mind and body through quantum indeterminacy, This might be a possible but that would only mean that we are detached from the "physical objects of the physical world" not the laws of physics. The human mind is constrained by what it can percieve, we can not "create" coherent things in our mind that bends the laws of physics, ie all that we can think of is dependant on the world as we know it. For exmple, we can write the word "nothing" but we can't fathom nothing as it is incongruent to our own.
But if we can create an entity who isn't constrained by the human bodys senses, a thing which doesn't smell, see, touch, feel, taste or hear. Give a most basic set of commands, like "do" or "utilize all power to create falsifiable but coherent theories" That entity would probably come up with the notion that it exists in a 3D universe and that time increases enthropy but ti would never be certain of it as it cannot observe it thus it would never stop and in the end, what it produces will be free from the constraints of our universe. A child in a cave.

How can you not "believe" in something that is fact? Without free will we would be hopeless as we would always never be capable of breaking free from the chains that hold us down but there is significant evidence showing that people are able to overcome their own minds and even overcome things such as hunger, pain, lust, and make decisions going against the stream of what their brain wants. This destroys any arguments against free will.

Honestly if free will did not exist I'd rather be dead forever as life and obtaining true happiness would be hopeless.

Also, our minds create the universe so you saying that we can not reproduce the universe is incorrect as without your mind the universe does not exist. This goes into quantum theory but you can look it up on Google it is a claim accepted by many physicists.

Actually you can fathom "nothing" if you get into a deep enough state of meditation (meditation is not a religion is can be discussed) and you're right it is beyond words.
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How can you not "believe" in something that is fact? Without free will we would be hopeless as we would always never be capable of breaking free from the chains that hold us down but there is significant evidence showing that people are able to overcome their own minds and even overcome things such as hunger, pain, lust, and make decisions going against the stream of what their brain wants. This destroys any arguments against free will.

Free will is not a fact, it's an unproven concept of morality. Overcoming an urge does not prove anything other than the person has a greater urge to deny the first urge, Again it's a concept of morality where one action gives greater benefit to the mind than another action.

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Honestly if free will did not exist I'd rather be dead forever as life and obtaining true happiness would be hopeless.

Those feelings are stimulating by the release of hormones, they are not metaphysical concepts.
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Also, our minds create the universe so you saying that we can not reproduce the universe is incorrect as without your mind the universe does not exist. This goes into quantum theory but you can look it up on Google it is a claim accepted by many physicists.

No we can't,and no it isn't and no they don't
To reproduce the universe we would need the computational power of the universe, effectively turning the universe into an unobservable simulation of it self.
The idea that objects cannot exist without our knowledge has been dismissed for a while now. If we were talking Sociology or History you could say that any observed phenomena is in itself a phenomena dependent on us as we label our world. Hegelian, Marxist, Feminist, Constructivist science theory and the such all allow for an interpretation where the percieved world is a "false" construction of our colelctive minds. However that only applies to phenomenas we can not quantify yet.


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Actually you can fathom "nothing" if you get into a deep enough state of meditation (meditation is not a religion is can be discussed) and you're right it is beyond words.

No. That statement isn't falsifiable and thus inherently untrue nro can it be reconstructed or repeated by different teams on different subjects.
Not to mentiont hat the only way to retrieve the data is to rely on subjective experiences by asking: Did you experience nothing?
 
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Free will is not a fact, it's an unproven concept of morality. Overcoming an urge does not prove anything other than the person has a greater urge to deny the first urge, Again it's a concept of morality where one action gives greater benefit to the mind than another action.
Those feelings are stimulating by the release of hormones, they are not metaphysical concepts.
No we can't,and no it isn't and no they don't
To reproduce the universe we would need the computational power of the universe, effectively turning the universe into an unobservable simulation of it self.
The idea that objects cannot exist without our knowledge has been dismissed for a while now. If we were talking Sociology or History you could say that any observed phenomena is in itself a phenomena dependent on us as we label our world. Hegelian, Marxist, Feminist, Constructivist science theory and the such all allow for an interpretation where the percieved world is a "false" construction of our colelctive minds. However that only applies to phenomenas we can not quantify yet.
No. That statement isn't falsifiable and thus inherently untrue nro can it be reconstructed or repeated by different teams on different subjects.
Not to mention hat the only way to retrieve the data is to rely on subjective experiences by asking: Did you experience nothing?

Believe what you want, be thankful that we have the freedom where we can believe in what we want to.

You believe in free will not being reality, I can also believe in color not existing as well, currently there is no evidence to disprove both color and free will. We don't even know how the universe was created (still going off of theory's that will more than likely be proven wrong in the future) and we don't even know much about what lays at the bottom of the ocean let alone our own galaxy.

I'm not buying your arguments against free will and without free will that means that we live in a finite reality which I find very hard to believe in as that would imply that a creator God entity exists.

I'm not going to respond to any of your other quotes as they are based on opinion and not fact and you saying that our mind does not create the universe shows that you haven't looked too deeply into this subject as most physicists would disagree with you and agree that free will is a fact of life (along with colors and taste) and that our minds do in fact create the universe.

Too many grammar errors for my taste as well I'll leave this thread alone and wish you all the best.
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They can simulate the human brain but without external stimuli won't the "brain" just sit in a sort of coma state or something like that. I remember reading about experiments they did with monkey heads. they kept a brain alive for a short time but because the brain had no external stimuli at all, it caused it to sort of go into a deep sleep state with minimal brain activity.
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They can simulate the human brain but without external stimuli won't the "brain" just sit in a sort of coma state or something like that. I remember reading about experiments they did with monkey heads. they kept a brain alive for a short time but because the brain had no external stimuli at all, it caused it to sort of go into a deep sleep state with minimal brain activity.

This is a good point. They wouldn't just be able to simulate the brain and stop there, they would also need to simulate the stimuli the brain needs to function. If all they did was simulate the brain without all the senses in play and reading the "environment" around it then the simulation would quickly self destruct I would think.

The simulated brain would need a simulated environment to engage with.
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