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That is a bad argument when comparing PSUs from very different wattage ratings, because even a mediocre 650w will trounce the best 450w in the world.

wat, that statement and reality are not similar.

Find me a 450w that can actually handle 650w then. Even not-so-great 650ws rarely go under 600w of actual usable wattage. The 650 is actually built to handle the extra loads. It's like comparing a i3 and i5 and saying the i5 doesn't out-class the i3.

The i5 may not be needed, and the i3 may be of better build quality, but the i5 can do more, simple as that. Same with the 450 and 650w.

Now, if it were the Rosewill 450w vs the Corsair CX500, then that is comparable. They offer almost the same amount of power, and at that close of range, build quality will matter more.
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Sigh.

 

KyadCK, please stick to what you know.  You don't know enough about PSU-related stuff to be giving anyone advice like this.

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TC, it's not worth it (going back and forth like this).. i simply stopped after his rebuttal in regards to the whole photoshop/cuda argument.

i think the op has already made up his mind in regards to what psu he will choose (450w?).. just pm the op to have a civilized discussion, as others who will stumble across this post will learn enough from your previous posts regarding psus. thumb.gif

if only Phaedrus or OklahomaWolf or someone else would care to shed some more light, hopefully we could close this chapter.
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TC, it's not worth it (going back and forth like this).. i simply stopped after his rebuttal in regards to the whole photoshop/cuda argument.

i think the op has already made up his mind in regards to what psu he will choose (450w?).. just pm the op to have a civilized discussion, as others who will stumble across this post will learn enough from your previous posts regarding psus. thumb.gif

if only Phaedrus or OklahomaWolf or someone else would care to shed some more light, hopefully we could close this chapter.

against my better judgement I am going to enter this debate.....


on the surface more wattage is better.

overall wattage is only one of many measurements of a PSU

The wattage is divided between usually three sets of output.

There are some low powered PSU's that have superior connection ability, superior cooling, and superior components.

evaluating a PSU by wattage only is like saying that lakes are better for sailing than oceans.

like with audio equipment, wattage of a component is not even close to the only measurement that matters.

I own two OCZ 600 watt PSU's, both manufactured with similar components, both with equal connection options. One runs with 600W divided three ways, 155, 580, and 20 watts. It provides 4 18A rails of power for CPU, CPU2/PCIe1, MB Accessories, and PCIe2. The other runs 600W divided four ways, 150, 504, 3.6, and 12.5, this one only has 2 25A and a .3A rail. Which one do you think has more connection options and provides smoother power across the whole system?
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against my better judgement I am going to enter this debate.....


on the surface more wattage is better.

overall wattage is only one of many measurements of a PSU

The wattage is divided between usually three sets of output.

There are some low powered PSU's that have superior connection ability, superior cooling, and superior components.

evaluating a PSU by wattage only is like saying that lakes are better for sailing than oceans.

like with audio equipment, wattage of a component is not even close to the only measurement that matters.

I own two OCZ 600 watt PSU's, both manufactured with similar components, both with equal connection options. One runs with 600W divided three ways, 155, 580, and 20 watts. It provides 4 18A rails of power for CPU, CPU2/PCIe1, MB Accessories, and PCIe2. The other runs 600W divided four ways, 150, 504, 3.6, and 12.5, this one only has 2 25A and a .3A rail. Which one do you think has more connection options and provides smoother power across the whole system?

 

The answer depends more on the quality of the PSU.  The higher quality PSU wins in terms of providing a superior quality of power.  Sometimes the quality is more important than the capacity, especially when you know the capacity will be more than enough for a long time to come.

 

So when it comes to building a system like this that has extremely low power requirements (and always will), there's absolutely no need whatsoever to get a PSU that has a capacity over 350-400W.  Seriously:  he's not a gamer, he never will be, he will never have, or need, a powerful video card, and the majority of the work will be done with the CPU.  Even if he does get a video card, it will not warrant the need for a PSU that has a capacity any greater than 400W because the only video card he can get right now that would begin coming close to needing a slightly larger capacity than 400W is the 7970 - but that's only if he overclocked the 3770K to 5 GHz at the same time.  Even then, he'd have to have a simultaneous maximum load on the 7970 and overclocked 3770K at the same time.  Since he's not a gamer, that would never happen.  So, a quality-made 400W PSU would be overkill.

 

To take it further, each new generation of GPUs and CPUs require less power than the previous.  So the argument of "future upgrades" is invalid for this system and for the way he'll be using this computer.

 

The reason I recommend the Rosewill Capstone 450-M is it's a very high-quality modular PSU that totally crushes the CX500 and only costs $69.99 shipped.  This PSU would last him "forever", as I believe I've already shown several times now.

 

If someone wants to bring up PSU degradation, I covered that already too.  With enthusiast-class PSUs like the 450-M, it's not an issue at all.  It's only a problem with lower quality PSUs.  The quality of the components inside like the capacitors is so high that you'd have to be folding 24/7 for a couple of years in order to have any hope of even putting a dent the PSU's capacity due to aging.

 

If you don't mind a quality non-modular PSU that would require you to use the power cable from your previous PSU, then here's the 400W Antec NEO ECO for only $39.99 shipped:

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371029

 

It is a SeaSonic S12II inside.

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Once again thank you. I hope to get some final words on this. This is probably the most I learn about hardware specs in a single day.
So based on the suggestions:

1) Processor : Since PS uses multithreading, I should go for i7. Do I need the Intel 3770K or just Intel 3770? Do I needed K only if I'm interested in overclocking.
2) Motherboard : Is Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H an overkill? I want to keep something that last a little longer and I don't want to waster money on something I won't ever use. By looking at the specs myself, Z77 boards were better than Z68 because of the onboard USB3 etc. Even for a Z77 board, do you suggest a different manufacturer?
3) Memory : G.Skill Ripjaws? I'll probably end up buying 4x4GB set.
4) Storage : Already have the Seagate. Should I go for 840 Pro or M4. I'll decide on 128 vs 256 later.
5) Power Supply : I refuse to talk about it smile.gif. I won't say which one I'm getting, but this is where I've learnt the most so I'm confident I'll make the right decisions with the info you guys provided.
6) Monitor : Already have the Dell 2412M.
7) GPU : Not now. Will see later. Hard pressed on money atm. But will definetly expand. My bro has GTX 650 which he said will give it to me as soon as he upgrades.

I don't care about speding a little extra (a little wink.gif) but want thing to be stable and not get outdated too soon.

TwoCables,Syryll,glina,KyadCK... Thanks again

The 3770K and UD3H are a solid combo. If you plan on overclocking in the future it's a good idea to keep the K for just a few bucks more. So yes, you need a K processor for overclocking as they have an unlocked multiplier.

Also, I'd recommend getting a 2x8GB memory kit instead of a 4x4GB kit. This way you can easily upgrade to 32GB later on if need be.

As far as SSD goes, the 840 PRO would be my pick. Try to swing for the 256GB as it's faster than the 128GB version.

And finally, a 450W PSU will be more than enough. Just make sure it's a quality unit. If you're buying from Newegg they have pretty nice sales every so often, so I'd recommend keeping an eye out. The Capstone listed before is a great unit, although I wouldn't mind picking up a Seasonic or Corsair on a nice sale either.

Edit - With prices as they are now, I'd suggest going with a Rosewill Tachyon 550M for $79 after savings and free shipping. Great price for a solid 80-Plus Platinum unit.
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