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Steamroller's hype is familiar to that of Bulldozer.. until it launched...

Except Bulldozer was an unknown architecture, Steamroller is predictable increases on a previous CPU.
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Steamroller's hype is familiar to that of Bulldozer.. until it launched...

They improved BD a lot with Piledriver. Maybe not in raw performance, but the tweaks they made to their links made their gaming performance skyrocket.

Steamroller will have independent decoders per thread, so that should boost single and multithreaded quite a lot. I am betting on a 10-15% IPC improvement only from that.

Especially if it is just adding a second decoder to each module, the current ones shared are faster than Phenom IIs iirc and if they keep that speed they should be pretty well off.
    
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From the ES I tested. Im not 100% sure about this info. (I have to be careful how I put this)
Edited by driftingforlife - 2/1/13 at 4:13pm
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Mainstream haswell is mainly directed towards mobile devices anyway, desktop CPUs are an afterthought. The proper desktop stuff will come in the form of server/workstation/high end enthusiast CPUs or haswell-E.

It's been pretty apparent ever since we got the first details about haswell that the focus will be heavily on efficiency and IGP performance (along with some other improvements such as the VRM system).

Haswell being mainly directed toward mobile devices is no suprise, Intel design philosophy since Conroe/Merom in 06 have been prioritizing notebook and since the adoption of that philosophy Intel Desktop chips have shown that prioritizing mobile doesn't damage Desktop performance.

Not surprised at some benchmark showing 5%, as Anand Lal Shimpi said that in his Anand Haswell article, he is under Haswell NDA atm ( Podcast Episode 13, 40 min mark: "I know but I can't say").
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2.6G Haswell turbo on running Fritz chess Benchmark.



from http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-80481-1-1.html
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Why? They've already said they are focusing on power use and iGPU, so why would only 5% IPC make it a flop? Just because it doesn't do what you want it to, doesn't make it a flop.

Im thinking along the lines of haswell vs steamroller.

Right now the 3770k is on average 10% better in multithreaded apps compared to the 8350. What happens if steamroller comes with the rumored 10 core beast? Lets say steamroller is 10% better ipc and then add 2 more cores on top of that. The 4770K is going to be in deep crap especially if its along the lines of 250-275 dollars. If that happens intel will have no choice but to give us 6 cores mainstream with broadwell.

At this point I take back all the crap I have ever said about amd.
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2.6G Haswell turbo on running Fritz chess Benchmark.



from http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-80481-1-1.html

Doesn't the 3770k at its stock 3.7GHz on all cores / 3.9GHz max turbo score around 14000 in that test? That would appear to be a decent improvement if true, considering that the Haswell is running at 2.6GHz.
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Why? They've already said they are focusing on power use and iGPU, so why would only 5% IPC make it a flop? Just because it doesn't do what you want it to, doesn't make it a flop.

Im thinking along the lines of haswell vs steamroller.

Right now the 3770k is on average 10% better in multithreaded apps compared to the 8350. What happens if steamroller comes with the rumored 10 core beast? Lets say steamroller is 10% better ipc and then add 2 more cores on top of that. The 4770K is going to be in deep crap especially if its along the lines of 250-275 dollars. If that happens intel will have no choice but to give us 6 cores mainstream with broadwell.

At this point I take back all the crap I have ever said about amd.

Steamroller will only have 8 cores. Piledriver was supposed to have 10 cores but then they realized the whole "MOAR COARS" thing wasn't necessarily going to work out at this point in time so they scrapped it. It'll have a lot more than 10% higher IPC though... more like 30%. It'll also be shrunk down to 28nm and might have a decent RCM which could increase clock speeds as well. When it finally does drop in Q1 2014 it'll almost certainly give the 4770k a great run for its money... but Intel has half a year to rule the market. Even if Haswell really only is 5-10% faster than Ivy, think about it. Piledriver was only 10-15% faster than Bulldozer and look what a difference that made. A 4570k 10% faster than the 3570k would make the 8350 a much more difficult buy than it currently is.
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2.6G Haswell turbo on running Fritz chess Benchmark.



from http://bbs.pceva.com.cn/thread-80481-1-1.html

I tested my 3770k at 2.6 and the haswell chip was 10% faster
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I tested my 3770k at 2.6 and the haswell chip was 10% faster
looks like it will be around the same gain from sandy to ivy, now time to see how good the overclocking is
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looks like it will be around the same gain from sandy to ivy, now time to see how good the overclocking is

Thats the true test
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Intel has zero incentive to improve big on their releases right now. They have no competition right now, so whats the point? All they are focusing on right now is GPU performance and power consumption, and for good reason.
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