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The point he is trying to make is that the gtx680 was marketed as a high end card while it really only is a mid end card.

Except the point you all seem to glaze over is... There was never at any time any proof of it being "really a mid end card"
It's just been an endless assumption based on die size and nothing more.
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Even though I don't believe thats Titan's 3dmark 11 extreme score, I decided to fire up my MID-RANGED cards. If that is infact Titan... you wont see me giving NV a cent any time soon.

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post #213 of 360
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Originally Posted by OwnedINC View Post

Except the point you all seem to glaze over is... There was never at any time any proof of it being "really a mid end card"
It's just been an endless assumption based on die size and nothing more.

You should read Alatar's NVIDIA GK104 for Dummies guide.

An assumption wouldn't be backed by factual evidence, such as this.



Specs wise, everything about the 680 wreaks of a mid-range CHIP. Based on history Gx104 is NVIDIA's mid-range line up.

If there was no GK110 chip, then you may have a case.

So tell me, if GK104 is highend, what is GK110? And what is NVIDIA's current mid-range?

It's quite funny that those in denial are often 79x0 users, I wonder if there's some sort of correlation. thinking.gif
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Even though I don't believe thats Titan's 3dmark 11 extreme score, I decided to fire up my MID-RANGED cards. If that is infact Titan... you wont see me giving NV a cent any time soon.

Full sized here

You won't give NVIDIA a cent anytime soon, after you've bought 2 680's from them? Makes sense.

Those are some awesome clocks btw!
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So tell me, if GK104 is highend, what is GK110? And what is NVIDIA's mid-range?

GK110 is the high-end of the next generation. The mid-range of that generation will probably be GK114.

Considering that there was no GK100 it is completely implausible to claim that GK104 is not "high-end"... there was nothing higher-end than GK104 at the time. You can call it gimped all you want, but don't act like there was ever any hope of a better chip being put into the 680.

I'd also like to point out that AMD has been using small dies for ages... does that mean that AMD doesn't release high-end GPUs? Is the 7970 mid-range because it doesn't have a 550mm^2 die? Nope, that's the biggest and fastest AMD makes em. Same goes for NVIDIA this generation.
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You should read Alatar's NVIDIA GK104 for Dummies guide.

An assumption wouldn't be backed by factual evidence, such as this.



Specs wise, everything about the 680 wreaks of a mid-range CHIP. Based on history Gx104 is NVIDIA's mid-range line up.

If there was no GK110 chip, then you may have a case.

So tell me, if GK104 is highend, what is GK110? And what is NVIDIA's current mid-range? AMD's HIGH END

It's quite funny that those in denial are often 7970 users, I wonder if there's some sort of correlation. thinking.gif
You won't give NVIDIA a cent anytime soon, after you've bought 2 680's from them? Makes sense.

Those are some awesome clocks btw!

amd fanboys will deny that forever.
Edited by wutang61 - 1/31/13 at 9:01pm
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You won't give NVIDIA a cent anytime soon, after you've bought 2 680's from them? Makes sense.

Those are some awesome clocks btw!

My point being is, id be willing to buy next gen after selling these cards at a mild loss, which is perfectly acceptable to me.

If I wait till Maxwell to sell the 680 Lightnings there will be a much bigger New-to-resale loss if I don't upgrade each generation.

Thanks RE the clocks, got extremely lucky in the silicon lottery for once in my life!
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GK110 is the high-end of the next generation. The mid-range of that generation will probably be GK114.

Considering that there was no GK100 it is completely implausible to claim that GK104 is not "high-end"... there was nothing higher-end than GK104 at the time.

I guess your point is that it sold as a 680 for highend prices, it's therefore NVIDIA's "highend" makes sense. However, just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on a GK104 chip and clocked it as high as they could, doesn't magically make it NVIDIA's high end chip. Make sense?

Repeat after me:

GK104 / 114 = Mid-Range CHIP
GK110 = High End CHIP

If you haven't figured out, I am talking about the CHIP, and so is everyone else.
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Originally Posted by GenoOCAU View Post

My point being is, id be willing to buy next gen after selling these cards at a mild loss, which is perfectly acceptable to me.

If I wait till Maxwell to sell the 680 Lightnings there will be a much bigger New-to-resale loss if I don't upgrade each generation.

Thanks RE the clocks, got extremely lucky in the silicon lottery for once in my life!

That makes sense. thumb.gif
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GK110 is the high-end of the next generation. The mid-range of that generation will probably be GK114.

Considering that there was no GK100 it is completely implausible to claim that GK104 is not "high-end"... there was nothing higher-end than GK104 at the time. You can call it gimped all you want, but don't act like there was ever any hope of a better chip being put into the 680.

I'd also like to point out that AMD has been using small dies for ages... does that mean that AMD doesn't release high-end GPUs? Is the 7970 mid-range because it doesn't have a 550mm^2 die? Nope, that's the biggest and fastest AMD makes em. Same goes for NVIDIA this generation.

QFT. Is it really so hard to understand???
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I guess your point is that it sold as a 680 for highend prices, it's therefore NVIDIA's "highend" makes sense. However, just because NVIDIA slapped a 680 label on a GK104 chip and clocked it as high as they could, doesn't magically make it NVIDIA's high end chip. Make sense?

Repeat after me:

GK104 / 114 = Mid-Range CHIP
GK110 = High End CHIP

If you haven't figured out, I am talking about the CHIP.

Mid-range implies that there is a higher-end chip above it. There was none. You can't compare GK110 to GK104 the same way you can't compare GF104 to GF110... different generations of chips.

Is it gimped for a high-end chip? Is it tiny for a high-end chip? Sure. Is it a mid-range chip because it's using a small-die strategy similar to the one that AMD's been using for generations? Nope.
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Mid-range implies that there is a higher-end chip above it. There was none. You can't compare GK110 to GK104 the same way you can't compare GF104 to GF110... different generations of chips.

Is it gimped for a high-end chip? Is it tiny for a high-end chip? Sure. Is it a mid-range chip because it's using a small-die strategy similar to the one that AMD's been using for generations? Nope.

I've made my point perfectly clear. If you want to keep arguing against it, by all means.

We should take this guy's advice.
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FTFY. Seriously, why are people still debating whether GK104 is mid range or high end? It has been debated to death, and I've never seen anyone on any side of the argument change his opinion. Possibly the most pointless discussion on OCN.
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