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Originally Posted by un-midas touch View Post

Any sort of digital restrictions management (DRM) removal or circumvention is illegal. Think of it like picking a lock.

Now, why they made a point to set the penalty so high on phones, right off the bat, is the real question.


It's either to show how ridiculous the Act is or to set the stage for a leap to home computers as well.
Why tablets are even included is beyond me.

As to running your phone on Linux,isn't Android a variation of Linux?
I can see Google going for a patent that encompasses all versions of Linux.
Gotta' keep that tracking software intact on all those phones. kungfu.gif
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It's either to show how ridiculous the Act is or to set the stage for a leap to home computers as well.
Why tablets are even included is beyond me.

As to running your phone on Linux,isn't Android a variation of Linux?
I can see Google going for a patent that encompasses all versions of Linux.
Gotta' keep that tracking software intact on all those phones. kungfu.gif

They really don't need to make that leap. They're expecting the masses to buy completely integrated, non-user servicable systems in the future. iTVpad or whatever. The real goal IMO is to phase out non-enslaved computers from the mainstream, so as to allow for regulation of the internet on the user end. See because it's taking too long for it to get under corporate control. Really just a matter of expedience. Nothing personal lemmings.
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No. That's not how it works. Like I said, it's part of the millenium copyright act. It's not just your breaking of contract. They are essentially claiming that breaking copyright protection is like breaking into a safe at the bank. At least as far as the punishment reflects.

The ruling originally excluded smartphones based on the ruling of the library of congress (why the hell ever that is), but now they have decided to take that exclusion away. Basically you're getting hit like a professional movie bootlegger.

Well; then the easy solution to "them treating you like movie bootleggers" is to either get the phone from a carrier and abide by their rules, or get a factory unlocked phone.

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Nowhere in the contract does it say you have to keep the device. Nowhere does it say it has to remain locked.

What the contract does say is that you will pay X amount for Y months of service for Z plan. That's it. When you break contract is when you want to not have service anymore, NOT when you want to unlock your device or sell it or break it or w/e.

Also, stop it with the iPOS. I know people don't like it, but it makes you sound like an elitist, if not an ass.

And again, I detailed the situation for consumers in the US. Pay $600 for an unlocked phone, and pay X for a service plan which most people keep for 5 years or more anyways, or pay $200 and be contracted into the service plan for 2 years with the same X cost. One costs $400 more than the other, and what's the benefit? Unlocked phone and ability to leave the service anytime they want. How often do people leave their service after a few months? There's a huge cost penalty for the unlocked phone route with no benefits whatsoever.

Seems to me you're not getting my point. I'm not saying getting a phone from the manufacturer is cheaper. What I'm saying is that if people want to get their phone on the cheap; then they have to abide by the rules that come with said phone.

As for total costs...

One example:
AT&T -> Galaxy SIII = $199.99 with 24 month contract. Let's add a voice plan: Nationwide 900 minutes with rollover = $59.99 And we need a data plan: DataPlus 300MB/month = $20.00

And now some math: $199.99 + ($59.99 x 24) + ($20 x 24) = $199.99 + 1439.76 + $480 ---> $2119.75

Now let's check an alternative.
MetroPCS --> Galaxy SIII = $499.99 no contract. Let's add a plan: Unlimited Voice/Text/Data = $60.00

And now some more math: $499.99 + ($60.00 x 24) = $499.99 + $1440.00 ---> $1939.99

The issue then becomes one of whether you want to be told that you can unlock/jailbreak your phone, or you choose to get a factory unlocked phone. There is also the "availability" issue since MetroPCS doesn't have 100% coverage in the US, but there are other carriers that cover other markets and offer similar solutions.

And I do apologize for the jabs at Apple... I have no dog on that fight whatsoever. Never owned an Apple product and probably never will, but then again... I don't own a smartphone either; I find no use for all them features on a phone. Nothing I do or my friends do is so important that I have to have live updates of their Facebook walls beamed to me as I go by my daily endeavors.

All I'm trying to say with my posts is: If people want a "carrier subsidized" phone; then they must abide by the rules set forth by said carrier in regards to what can and can't be done with the devices. And I agree with the carrier on this matter. If they're lending you the $300 balance on the cost of the phone; they have every right to impose some rules on that loan. People that want to get the phone for cheap and be able to root/unlock/jailbreak said phone are simply trying to have their cake and eat it too.
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Well; then the easy solution to "them treating you like movie bootleggers" is to either get the phone from a carrier and abide by their rules, or get a factory unlocked phone.
Seems to me you're not getting my point. I'm not saying getting a phone from the manufacturer is cheaper. What I'm saying is that if people want to get their phone on the cheap; then they have to abide by the rules that come with said phone.

As for total costs...

One example:
AT&T -> Galaxy SIII = $199.99 with 24 month contract. Let's add a voice plan: Nationwide 900 minutes with rollover = $59.99 And we need a data plan: DataPlus 300MB/month = $20.00

And now some math: $199.99 + ($59.99 x 24) + ($20 x 24) = $199.99 + 1439.76 + $480 ---> $2119.75

Now let's check an alternative.
MetroPCS --> Galaxy SIII = $499.99 no contract. Let's add a plan: Unlimited Voice/Text/Data = $60.00

And now some more math: $499.99 + ($60.00 x 24) = $499.99 + $1440.00 ---> $1939.99

The issue then becomes one of whether you want to be told that you can unlock/jailbreak your phone, or you choose to get a factory unlocked phone. There is also the "availability" issue since MetroPCS doesn't have 100% coverage in the US, but there are other carriers that cover other markets and offer similar solutions.

And I do apologize for the jabs at Apple... I have no dog on that fight whatsoever. Never owned an Apple product and probably never will, but then again... I don't own a smartphone either; I find no use for all them features on a phone. Nothing I do or my friends do is so important that I have to have live updates of their Facebook walls beamed to me as I go by my daily endeavors.

All I'm trying to say with my posts is: If people want a "carrier subsidized" phone; then they must abide by the rules set forth by said carrier in regards to what can and can't be done with the devices. And I agree with the carrier on this matter. If they're lending you the $300 balance on the cost of the phone; they have every right to impose some rules on that loan. People that want to get the phone for cheap and be able to root/unlock/jailbreak said phone are simply trying to have their cake and eat it too.

Except my only choice for coverage in certain areas is ATT. I'm sure coverage issues are relevant for other people as well, especially since Sprint does not have as good coverage in rural and suburban areas as ATT or Verizon. It is unfair to compare the two services, if anything you have to compare Verizon and ATT. Or better yet, Sprint and T-mobile.

The rules are not there to prevent you from doing whatever you want with your phone. That's what the 2 year contract and ETFs are for. The contracts and ETFs ensure that you pay for the phone. Whatever you do with the phone doesn't matter.

What does matter is that if a person gets a carrier locked phone and stops making the payments. What happens then is that the IMEI or ESN number gets blocked. If the phone cannot be unlocked, then it becomes mostly useless. That's the only possible scenario I can see for justifying this.

The other part is a money grab. ATT and Verizon force you to have a data plan if they recognize the IMEI or ESN as belonging to a smartphone, regardless of how you got it. Getting a T-mobile smartphone and using it on ATT circumvents that, and they don't get the data money. That is unfairly punishing consumers.
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What a joke. I could go out and stab someone and get less years.

Good thing we are spending scarce resources on people unlocking their phones, and not the crazy drug/violence problems around the globe.
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Any sort of digital restrictions management (DRM) removal or circumvention is illegal. Think of it like picking a lock.

Now, why they made a point to set the penalty so high on phones, right off the bat, is the real question.

Picking locks in most places is not illegal when they're your locks; there has to be criminal intent. So this is more like the government telling you that you don't own the locks on your house.
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Unfortunately, large, powerful corporations rule things around here, make no mistake. Hopefully as this thing becomes more well known, the backlash destroys it, as with things we have seen in the past.
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If companies wouldn't install bloatware that requires root access to remove I would not have a need to jailbreak my phone.
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Wow, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. Mars anyone?

I'd rather take the legislators and lobbyist responsible for this garbage and shoot them to Mars.
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