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I assume that the "tards" you are talking about writing stuff refers to the Librarian and/or Congress and not the guy who wrote the article, which would be me, lol. smile.gif I'm an avid overclocker, love this site but can't remember my username from a while ago. Some friends told me that you guys were discussing what I wrote here and was curious. I'm glad to be active here again as I'm getting a little itchy since I still have my Sandy Bridge mobo and soon I'll be too many generations away from the cutting edge, lol.

In short, I think you mean to say that both are made a crime pursuant to the same law, which is the DMCA. However, the law does recognize that these are actually two related (breaking protection) but different issues. The article covers a good part of it. With regard to unlocking, carriers need to make back their buck from selling subsidized phones. Long ago, carriers should have been required to provide unlock codes once those contracts ended. So the exception is one that is simple to understand. Jailbreaking isn't as simple.

No no no, I was not calling the author of the article a tard lol, I was calling the guys in congress a tard hahaha. Makes sense, I'm sure the next step will be making jailbreaking illegal.

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Something not right here, why all of a sudden the corporate government decided it should be illegal?

If you jail break your device, well that is less money in the GovCorp pocket and it seems to me they are afraid that these devices may be used to monitor them for a change.
 
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No no no, I was not calling the author of the article a tard lol, I was calling the guys in congress a tard hahaha. Makes sense, I'm sure the next step will be making jailbreaking illegal.
LOL, I realized. wink.gif While some commentary I have read thinks that the Librarian will move in the other direction (placing tablets within the exception for jailbreaking), I'm not so sure. If the lobby is strong enough and big corporations like Apple will exhibit some parade of horribles that could happen as a result of jailbreaking, I wouldn't be so surprised if there was a shift in that direction. I certainly hope not.
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Something not right here, why all of a sudden the corporate government decided it should be illegal?
If you jail break your device, well that is less money in the GovCorp pocket and it seems to me they are afraid that these devices may be used to monitor them for a change.
They didn't suddenly decide. There was an exemption granted for several years regarding unlocking (it's clear in the article.) This exemption was granted to provide a greater freedom of choice within the marketplace. Now that carriers will unlock phones at the end of contracts and they are made available at full retail price, there was seen as no need to renew the exemption. It's all about money not monitoring.
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Something not right here, why all of a sudden the corporate government decided it should be illegal?

If you jail break your device, well that is less money in the GovCorp pocket and it seems to me they are afraid that these devices may be used to monitor them for a change.

None of this happened all of a sudden. It's been a very long time since the greedy fingers of big business weren't manipulating consumer laws.
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Agreed. But to do the proverbial "beating of a dead horse"... The only way that is going to change is if consumers put their money where their mouth is. If the reason for getting the phone on a contract is the "savings"; then the consumer has to agree to the terms of the contract and if that contract says "thou shall not unlock thy phone" then that's what the consumer has to do. The part that I can not agree with (and it seems that's what everyone is up in arms about) is that consumers want to get the phone on the cheap and still be able to unlock it.

As long as the customers properly pay their bills or ETFs if they break contract early, they have every right to do whatever they want with their phone. There are no provisions in current contracts (that I'm aware of) that regulate whether or not you can unlock or jailbreak/root your phones. If the provision is there, then fine, they are held to the terms of the contract, and that's the way contracts work. But by no means should this be a law that applies to any phone, regardless of what the terms of contract say. There are already other laws that deal with breach of contract terms.

Not to mention the contract expires once 2 years pass or you cancel the service and pay the ETF. The contract is only legally binding for the duration of the contract. It should not extend outside of the contract time, and that's what this law is doing (if there are terms in the contract that tells you you cannot unlock).
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Yeh I dont like this law they need to change it from unlocking to unboxing.
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Ahh...America, land of the free, unless you murder someone, deal drugs or unlock your mobile.
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Why are we discussing the maximum sentence for multiple offenders of anything covered by the 1998 DMCA like it applies to unlocking a single phone? Then comparing that to what another crime sometimes get rather than its maximum?
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Why are we discussing the maximum sentence for multiple offenders of anything covered by the 1998 DMCA like it applies to unlocking a single phone? Then comparing that to what another crime sometimes get rather than its maximum?

Because it does apply. There's nothing to stop a judge from slapping someone with the maximum sentence. Now, I understand that most people don't have "personal" experience with the judicial system. Sure you're not likely to get that maximum. But you still have to consider. Once it comes down to sentencing, it's all based on how the judge feels about you. You could be known to be involved in other criminal activity and this is all they can get you on. Bam maximum sentence. Now you may find that to be acceptable, but I can tell you from first-hand accounts of several people I know that sometimes the judge is just in a bad mood on whatever particular day you get sentenced, and Bam. You're doing gang member or firearm-related time.
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Woah, wait you mean to tell me the device I paid for cannot be used the way that I want it? Seems like a ton of corporate and government corruption combined if you ask me.
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