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arctic cooling makes one i thought... and you say water cooling a voltage locked card like its a bad thing. 1: with the right setup its silent 2: in the past with other cards and with my 580 i was able to achieve higher clocks @ the same voltage once water cooled. lower heat=less resistance(ohm's) on both the power phases and the gpu itself. but i hope the power phases on these cards are beefy enough to put up with a little volt modding otherwise i may hold off.
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arctic cooling makes one i thought... and you say water cooling a voltage locked card like its a bad thing. 1: with the right setup its silent 2: in the past with other cards and with my 580 i was able to achieve higher clocks @ the same voltage once water cooled. lower heat=less resistance(ohm's) on both the power phases and the gpu itself. but i hope the power phases on these cards are beefy enough to put up with a little volt modding otherwise i may hold off.

Arctic cooling makes a separate cooler, by "no Aftermarket aircooled GTX 690" cards you can buy from ASUS/Gigabyte/MSI that come with pre-installed aftermarket fans like the ASUS MARS II or all the AIB 7990s out there.

I view water cooling a voltage locked card as wasting the block/loops' cost & potential vs water cooling Voltage unlocked card like the 580 or 7970, said nothing bad about water cooling itself.

Judging by the 590/670/680 reference PCB/VRM, I wouldn't get my hopes up about "beefy VRMs" if I were you.
Edited by sherlock - 2/2/13 at 12:26pm
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Sorry I did not literally means speeds as in clocks, speeds as in performance.
I did as well, a GK110 with 14 SMXes and 48 ROPs needs to be clocked somewhere around 950-1000MHz to reach 85% of GTX 690s performance, I simply don't see that happening with a reasonable TDP.
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ahhhh ok. i now see what you mean by aftermarket cooler. i wouldn't spend the money on a block unless i could get decent returns from the oc, unless the card was ungawdly loud. i wish i knew what the hell the the 700's series would hold compared to the titan. Nvidia needs straighten out this chip mfg business so they can allow companies to make their own designed cards. to wait or not to wait...or to pick up a used 580 and go sli...my head hurts
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I did as well, a GK110 with 14 SMXes and 48 ROPs needs to be clocked somewhere around 950-1000MHz to reach 85% of GTX 690s performance, I simply don't see that happening with a reasonable TDP.

what if by "trimming the fat" of commercial features of the chip they could get all 15 smx's to work? 1536 shaders to 2888 is like a 84% increase and then of course the additional mem bandwidth. if by some miracle they could get all the SMX's pumping and sold the card it would explain why it would be a "limited" run.


BRAIN FART^^^^ i was comparing it to a single 680

lets say by the grace of the silicon gods they get all 2888 shaders working. they would only need to clock it in around 830mhz to get within the 85% mark of a 690 if i did my math right.
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Ima get me some of this card!! good thing im starting my new job soon! tongue.gif
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what if by "trimming the fat" of commercial features of the chip they could get all 15 smx's to work? 1536 shaders to 2888 is like a 84% increase and then of course the additional mem bandwidth. if by some miracle they could get all the SMX's pumping and sold the card it would explain why it would be a "limited" run.


BRAIN FART^^^^ i was comparing it to a single 680

lets say by the grace of the silicon gods they get all 2888 shaders working. they would only need to clock it in around 830mhz to get within the 85% mark of a 690 if i did my math right.
http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=742
It is proven that Kepler is mostly limited by it's ROP/L2/memory-parts, and that additional SMXes doesn't add much to actual performance. Considering most Kepler cards scale pretty well with core clock increases, the most likely assumption is that it's the ROPs that are the main bottleneck.
The GK110 most likely has 48 ROPs (Nvidia hasn't disclosed the amount,) which is 50% more than the GTX 680 (25% less than the 690,) and if this Titan is supposed to have 85% of the 690s performance it will need to run at 1037+ MHz core. A GK110 running at 1037+ MHz core would consume far too much power to be acceptable for anyone other than rabid fanboys and K1NGP1N
Bandwidth-wise, there's no way the Titan will have more bandwidth than the 690 (Titan would need to run it's memory at 2000MHz to deliver identical bandwidth,) GDDR5 is not yet available at 2000MHz and getting a 384-bit memory controller to scale that far up in clock speeds when the 256-bit bus of the GK104 caps out arund 1800MHz is wishful thinking at best.

The math simply doesn't add up to this Titan having "85% of the 690s performance," the GK110 simply isn't powerful enough for such a thing to happen.
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http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=742
It is proven that Kepler is mostly limited by it's ROP/L2/memory-parts, and that additional SMXes doesn't add much to actual performance. Considering most Kepler cards scale pretty well with core clock increases, the most likely assumption is that it's the ROPs that are the main bottleneck.
The GK110 most likely has 48 ROPs (Nvidia hasn't disclosed the amount,) which is 50% more than the GTX 680 (25% less than the 690,) and if this Titan is supposed to have 85% of the 690s performance it will need to run at 1037+ MHz core. A GK110 running at 1037+ MHz core would consume far too much power to be acceptable for anyone other than rabid fanboys and K1NGP1N
Bandwidth-wise, there's no way the Titan will have more bandwidth than the 690 (Titan would need to run it's memory at 2000MHz to deliver identical bandwidth,) GDDR5 is not yet available at 2000MHz and getting a 384-bit memory controller to scale that far up in clock speeds when the 256-bit bus of the GK104 caps out arund 1800MHz is wishful thinking at best.

The math simply doesn't add up to this Titan having "85% of the 690s performance," the GK110 simply isn't powerful enough for such a thing to happen.

But but...but but...fine frown.gif. i wonder how they plan on pulling off such a claim if its even true. i will not have much interest if this is a dual gpu card. guess i may wait for the 700 series
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http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=742
It is proven that Kepler is mostly limited by it's ROP/L2/memory-parts, and that additional SMXes doesn't add much to actual performance. Considering most Kepler cards scale pretty well with core clock increases, the most likely assumption is that it's the ROPs that are the main bottleneck.
The GK110 most likely has 48 ROPs (Nvidia hasn't disclosed the amount,) which is 50% more than the GTX 680 (25% less than the 690,) and if this Titan is supposed to have 85% of the 690s performance it will need to run at 1037+ MHz core. A GK110 running at 1037+ MHz core would consume far too much power to be acceptable for anyone other than rabid fanboys and K1NGP1N
Bandwidth-wise, there's no way the Titan will have more bandwidth than the 690 (Titan would need to run it's memory at 2000MHz to deliver identical bandwidth,) GDDR5 is not yet available at 2000MHz and getting a 384-bit memory controller to scale that far up in clock speeds when the 256-bit bus of the GK104 caps out arund 1800MHz is wishful thinking at best.

The math simply doesn't add up to this Titan having "85% of the 690s performance," the GK110 simply isn't powerful enough for such a thing to happen.

 

No that doesn't prove a ROP bottleneck. I believe you've been repeatedly saying the same thing for a while now and I've corrected you on this a couple of times...

 

Also "50% more ROP" doesn't say anything unless you know that the rest of the pipeline remained constant and even then there are other second order effects like scheduling and cache latencies. I doubt nVidia kept those constant in the revision. Just wait for actual benchmarks 85% isn't even  specified to be gaming performance. Don't worry about your 7970s so much...

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I could maybe, maybe believe these numbers if all the non-Titan cards were stock frequencies and the Titan was overclocked.
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