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He's probably still mad that he's still using a phone on Donut biggrin.gif

He also has obviously never experienced ICS or Jellybean
ICS was such a lovely update. Absolutely wiped away all of the bugs in Honeycomb.
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People seem to forget that all other modified android cannot be roll out the same time as the "pure" android in Nexus, they have to tweak their KLP to work with their own brand of phone, and also carrier requested standard, this is why modified version of the Android takes time to get update...

Haha good one. They have armies of developers and are incapable of rolling out updates faster than the 5 or 10 active guys on xda-devs lol...

I think it's because of bureaucracy and bloated structures, unless they set speed as their specific target (the way Google does with updating the Nexus devices), nobody cares about deadlines. I had fully functioning ICS on my Galaxy Note over 2 months before the official ROM came out. I've been using JB since around October, bug-free, and the official isn't even out yet. Either they are imbeciles, or they just don't care.
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Haha good one. They have armies of developers and are incapable of rolling out updates faster than the 5 or 10 active guys on xda-devs lol...

I think it's because of bureaucracy and bloated structures, unless they set speed as their specific target (the way Google does with updating the Nexus devices), nobody cares about deadlines. I had fully functioning ICS on my Galaxy Note over 2 months before the official ROM came out. I've been using JB since around October, bug-free, and the official isn't even out yet. Either they are imbeciles, or they just don't care.

Those 5-10 active guys on XDA provide a stock Android experience based on the AOSP... manufacturers put their own software on there and work with carriers.

For instance, HTC gets the android 5.0 update around the same time as the independent developers. So then firstly they have to check out the new features, look at how they can be integrated into Sense. Then they can update and redo all their own packages and apps that they provide, and then also work their apps such as "Phone" and "People" which are always customised versions of the stock ones. They've also got to work with carriers to put brand specific things on there, lock features, as per agreements and so on.

Now imagine that for 30 phones.

The guys that run CM10 (or CM11 as it might be called when it's 5.0) take the AOSP files, build, tweak and release. Almost everything is stock Android.

There is a valid reason it takes time.
Edited by Rubers - 2/3/13 at 10:59am
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Haha good one. They have armies of developers and are incapable of rolling out updates faster than the 5 or 10 active guys on xda-devs lol...

I think it's because of bureaucracy and bloated structures, unless they set speed as their specific target (the way Google does with updating the Nexus devices), nobody cares about deadlines. I had fully functioning ICS on my Galaxy Note over 2 months before the official ROM came out. I've been using JB since around October, bug-free, and the official isn't even out yet. Either they are imbeciles, or they just don't care.

Those 5-10 active guys on XDA provide a stock Android experience based on the AOSP... manufacturers put their own software on there and work with carriers.

For instance, HTC gets the android 5.0 update around the same time as the independent developers. So then firstly they have to check out the new features, look at how they can be integrated into Sense. Then they can update and redo all their own packages and apps that they provide, and then also work their apps such as "Phone" and "People" which are always customised versions of the stock ones. They've also got to work with carriers to put brand specific things on there, lock features, as per agreements and so on.

Now imagine that for 30 phones.

The guys that run CM10 (or CM11 as it might be called when it's 5.0) take the AOSP files, build, tweak and release. Almost everything is stock Android.

There is a valid reason it takes time.

Not true. Not all ROM's are done via AOSP. In fact, there's quite a large development scene for ROMs like Sense. AT&T STILL hasn't rolled out their Jellybean Update, and yet indie developers have taken Telus and other carrier bases and given us ROMs that work on our phones without a single issue. How is it 2-5 guys can do this on their spare time, but a multi-billion dollar corp can't?

Giving excuses to large, multi-billion dollar corporations doesn't help anyone except for those corporations. Which is why Google needs to start forcing these carriers and phone manufacturers to keep every single phone they release up to date for at least 2-3 years. Without Google forcing this, they just take their sweet time, pick and choose which phones to update, then release new, slightly upgraded model 6 months after the initial version, with a newer base, and leave the older one to die a miserable death.

Thankfully, there are people out there like Kang, CM, Viper, CleanRom, etc. to combat the stupidity of these corporations and give us all what we deserve.
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Not true. Not all ROM's are done via AOSP. In fact, there's quite a large development scene for ROMs like Sense. AT&T STILL hasn't rolled out their Jellybean Update, and yet indie developers have taken Telus and other carrier bases and given us ROMs that work on our phones without a single issue. How is it 2-5 guys can do this on their spare time, but a multi-billion dollar corp can't?

Giving excuses to large, multi-billion dollar corporations doesn't help anyone except for those corporations. Which is why Google needs to start forcing these carriers and phone manufacturers to keep every single phone they release up to date for at least 2-3 years. Without Google forcing this, they just take their sweet time, pick and choose which phones to update, then release new, slightly upgraded model 6 months after the initial version, with a newer base, and leave the older one to die a miserable death.

Thankfully, there are people out there like Kang, CM, Viper, CleanRom, etc. to combat the stupidity of these corporations and give us all what we deserve.

That's entirely different. I do the same thing. I've rolled out Android 4.1.2 for the SGS3 before the UK, even had it. I took an official Polish release (which was the first to get it) and made it available for all. But those developers you're talking about taking the Telus release haven't taken anything that isn't official or leaked. HTC released that Telus ROM, and those ROM modders made it available for other carriers too.

For instance, I cannot make a Samsung 4.2 based ROM because Samsung have not released a 4.2 ROM for the SGS3, but the guys building CM10.1 ROMs for the SGS3 are taking from Cyanogen, which takes the AOSP build of 4.2... it's not a Samsung build, but an AOSP build. They're very different.

Which is what I was saying. HTC get the release from Google and then have to work it into their devices and their customised software and that takes time on one device, let alone 30+. I'm not making excuses for their lack of releasing to phones and I totally agree with you on that one. But on the flipside of that, Google also need to put thier foot down with carriers having different versions of phones in the US. Here in the UK, there is ONE version of the SGS3, in the US there are several, one for each carrier. That's ridiculous.
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Where did the original source go???
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cell makers always do this, very late updates or no updates at all for dumb reasons, yet modder make awesome stuff

not only this happens on androids, i have a nokia 5800 symbian forgotten by nokia by long time, the n97 came out and had cool features and updated apps, but nokia did not updated any old tocuh s60v5

moders then took out the n97 and c6 fw, and moded for others s60v5, and ran more faster, better, was like a new phone, yet nokia launched some crap updates even in 2011 for those old phones without adding at least the n97 fw features

they just want you to buy a new phone every year
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ICS was such a lovely update. Absolutely wiped away all of the bugs in Honeycomb.
Yes, I loved the Ics update for the S2
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my mind,body,soul and gnex is ready

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Android has the same issues as they have had since the start:

Their platform is laggy and fails in responsiveness. Until they fix that iOS > Windows > Android

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thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

the same old (and untrue) argument again...

It may be an old argument but it's definitely not "untrue". I've been using Android since the G1 and have only bought flagship devices (G1, HTC Evo, HTC Evo LTE, and GS3) and I've experienced lag with ALL of them. Some more than others but it has happened with all my phones.

My current phone (GS3) doesn't have a big problem with this but it has happened to me a few times. I love Android but there are definitely times where there is UI lag that I didnt see when I tried out iOS and WP. That being said, as smooth as other OSs are, there's simply no denying Android's superiority with everything else other than UI smoothness.
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