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If systemd becomes a prerequsite for GNOME, its time to drop GNOME. The philosophy throughout all of *NIX is the programs do one thing and do it well.
It smacks of poor systems design to have your choice of GUI dictate your init manager as the two things are so far apart in the system that is GNU/Linux.

word.

read that a couple times. You're letting some lousy gui dictate how your services work. What operating system is this again??
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If systemd becomes a prerequsite for GNOME, its time to drop GNOME. The philosophy throughout all of *NIX is the programs do one thing and do it well.
It smacks of poor systems design to have your choice of GUI dictate your init manager as the two things are so far apart in the system that is GNU/Linux.

word.

read that a couple times. You're letting some lousy gui dictate how your services work. What operating system is this again??

that would be my opinion. However, I don't really see the relation. Plus, that web page gives my this:
Code:
message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

EDIT--

should clear up my opinion would be offer the choice of using systemd, as debian(sort of) and gentoo do, then it use it by default as in arch or fedora. I also think that the gnome teams needs to stop making it hard to run gnome on other distro's, or someone needs to take gnome3 once they get it to work with other kernels and fork it.
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there's also this whole thing about if you have /usr as a separate partition, after upgrade it will will brick your system, and require you to use a recovery disc to chroot in and do [something] so you can boot again. my eyes glazed over. So somehow a GUI (and a transitive dependency) has caused this?????

where's that Jackie Chan picture
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that would be my opinion. However, I don't really see the relation. Plus, that web page gives my this:
Code:
message_die() was called multiple times. This isn't supposed to happen. Was message_die() used in page_tail.php?

EDIT--

should clear up my opinion would be offer the choice of using systemd, as debian(sort of) and gentoo do, then it use it by default as in arch or fedora. I also think that the gnome teams needs to stop making it hard to run gnome on other distro's, or someone needs to take gnome3 once they get it to work with other kernels and fork it.

Or people could give up conformist DEs and then we wouldn't have to worry about one DE dictating the rest of the Linux ecosystem (like Gnome/GTK does)....rolleyes.giftongue.gif

Sorry Plan9 I wish I could help but this is far beyond me.
     
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the correct answer wink.gif is to install gentoo
sorry .. i know you know but i had to throw that quote out there as I think it's important.
To be fair, Arch is supposed to be about choice as well. I'm not really sure what happened here :-/

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word.

read that a couple times. You're letting some lousy gui dictate how your services work. What operating system is this again??

It's worse than that, GNOME3's dependency is preventing it from being ported to FreeBSD and other UNIXs.
Personally though, I think GNOME3 sucks harder than pre-release versions of KDE4.
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there's also this whole thing about if you have /usr as a separate partition, after upgrade it will will brick your system, and require you to use a recovery disc to chroot in and do [something] so you can boot again. my eyes glazed over. So somehow a GUI (and a transitive dependency) has caused this?????

where's that Jackie Chan picture
I'm starting to question whether half the systemd fanboys are just kids and hobbyists rather actual Linux administrators who have to deal with this rubbish daily.
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Sorry Plan9 I wish I could help but this is far beyond me.
No worries mate. to be honest I'm tempted to just roll back the VM to a saved snapshot and forget this whole sorry affair.
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Hey plan9, my only intention is to be helpful here. Have you checked the beginner's installation guide? They have a static ip example there.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#Wired_2
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Hey plan9, my only intention is to be helpful here. Have you checked the beginner's installation guide? They have a static ip example there.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide#Wired_2

Yup. I'd followed all the networking wiki's. smile.gif
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Yup. I'd followed all the networking wiki's. smile.gif
I'd crosspost on the Arch forums... I haven't fiddled with static networking in quite some time, I just have my dhcp server do static leases based on mac address it allows me more flexibility, since I can manage everything from the same place.
    
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No worries mate. to be honest I'm tempted to just roll back the VM to a saved snapshot and forget this whole sorry affair.

This sounds like the most sensible course of action. Maybe try again in 3-6 months after some of the nonsense has cleared out of the way, or at least there's some documentation to guide the process.

I have made a point to stay far far away from systemd, all I really know about it is it's bad and forced by the gnome nut-jobs. If the community perception of it ever changes, and I start seeing things like "systemd is a great upgrade", perhaps then I will take a look at learning what it actually is, and whether or not it's something I want to use. But just based on feedback alone I already I know definitely DO NOT WANT
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To be fair, systemd is great for the none techie users, guys who just install ubuntu and don't care about how it works. But I'm really not convinced it's any good for servers and power users. After chatting on irc last night, the only feature that the systemd advocates could list which was a big step up was such a niche use case scenario that I could count on one hand the number of times I'd have used it the 15 or so years that I've been programming and administrating servers.

The term 'snake oil' springs to mind when discussing systemd.
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