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post #21 of 86
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Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post

The thing is Swiftech's unit is a copper rad, is relatively quiet at max RPM, is smaller (dual 120mm) and is expandable. The other units don't have that kind of value.

At $130+ the NXZT Kraken X60 and Corsair H110 are a waste of money when you can get the Swiftech H220 for $140

I disagree with Anandtech... people that go water-cooling typically are looking for silence and temps (or aesthetics?). The Swiftech H220 delivers temps that are similar to the H110 on max... how is that not good? rolleyes.gif

What Swiftech could do in a second revision is to use compression fittings (more expensive than barbs) which is cleaner looking and makes it easier to use the expandability.

Also would like to see the reviews with Noctua fans on the radiators.

And also don't want a big hunk of metal sitting sideway on the motherboard.
post #22 of 86
Don't have it installed yet, but my X60 will be very load and I'm going to enjoy it.

About those numbers, from what swiftech stated in their press release weeks back, this is disappointing, I was expecting it to out perform the other AIO's by a good margin on max, but at the same time, it's good to know my decision on the X60 was a good one, maybe not the best, but a good one. Sound levels are irrelevant to me personally, I have bad hearing, so temps was all I was after. Btw, replacing the stock fans with 52db Yates x4
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H80i beats the H100i?
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post #24 of 86
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but Swiftech clearly tuned their fans for acoustics instead of performance.
Clearly they do not know that the fans used has been around for a long time now, well before H220. Was never specially made for the H220.
Do not know where they go facts from, but I find the test and results false.
    
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If I'm reading the charts correctly, the Swifttech kit performs the best out of all 120mm kits, and is only out performed by the Kraken x60, and H110i, both of which are dual 140mm kits.

That's the key here, comparing a 280 radiator vs a 240 radiator is apples to oranges.

14cm x 28cm = 392 sq cm
12cm x 24cm = 288 sq cm
Difference in frontal area 104 cm
104/288 = 36% frontal area advantage

A 360 rad by comparison is 436 sq cm, so it is actually very close to comparing a triple rad vs double rad.

That's not to say that swiftech shouldn't come out with a 140mm x 2 option, I bet they will, but the comparison is not at all comparing like products when you start mixing and matching radiator sizes. Most people have a case where they can fit one or the other and if its 2 x 140 you should without a doubt buy a 2 x 140 rad setup, but many can only fit a 2 x 120 and when searching for a comparison, the like products should be all the same 2 x 120.

A majority of cases out there that support a 120 x 2 rad do not also support 140 x 2. You should always fit the most possible and most people will want to see like sizes compared.
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post #26 of 86
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That's the key here, comparing a 280 radiator vs a 240 radiator is apples to oranges.

14cm x 28cm = 392 sq cm
12cm x 24cm = 288 sq cm
Difference in frontal area 104 cm
104/288 = 36% frontal area advantage

A 360 rad by comparison is 436 sq cm, so it is actually very close to comparing a triple rad vs double rad.

That's not to say that swiftech shouldn't come out with a 140mm x 2 option, I bet they will, but the comparison is not at all comparing like products when you start mixing and matching radiator sizes. Most people have a case where they can fit one or the other and if its 2 x 140 you should without a doubt buy a 2 x 140 rad setup, but many can only fit a 2 x 120 and when searching for a comparison, the like products should be all the same 2 x 120.

They might as well toss in a 560 custom build system in the charts while they are at it.... guess who will come out on top there..smile.gif

Yeah the Custom look will come on top but not by much. There is so much RAD space can do and the block itself.
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post #27 of 86
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When results are impossible, or at the very least improbable, people have every right to question the results. The H110 vs X60 and H100i vs H80i results alone call the entire test into question.

Then I suggest you put your words and viewpoint into action and do a better comparison yourself. Otherwise, you opinion is null and void beyond yourself.
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Then I suggest you put your words and viewpoint into action and do a better comparison yourself. Otherwise, you opinion is null and void beyond yourself.

Send me some units for comparison and I will.

And I'm not going off of opinion, I'm going off of evidence I posted earlier in this thread:
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There is no way those numbers are right. How is the H110 beating the X60 by that big of a margin when it has a slower fan (1500RPM vs 2000RPM) that develops less static pressure and moves less air?

We already know their H80i and H100i numbers are off based on the HardwareCanucks, MadShrimps, KitGuru, and OC3D reviews. And going off of OC3D and HiTechLegion those H110 vs Kraken X60 and H100i numbers look way off.

I know the Overclockers review showed the H220 and H100i to have the same temps, but they also had different ambient temps and different test beds between the two, pretty much rendering the results between those worthless.

I'll even go so far as to quote Corsair George on the two major problems I see in the review that make me question the validity of the whole test:
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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post

The X60 will outperform the H110 because NZXT has 2000 RPM fans on theirs and ours are 1500 RPM.

With the same fans the performance is identical.
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Originally Posted by CorsairGeorge View Post

Nobody buys 1100 units based on a review. Likely he is a system integrator or something and his case doesn't fit the H100i. (by the way - something was up with the Anandtech H100i unit - we've never, ever seen the H80i outperform the H100i so consistently. There's some variance possibilities - if you test 50 H100is, you'll see performance variance between them based on component variance and manufacturing - so my guess is he got a really good H80i and an H100i towards the bottom of the bell curve.)

The fact that not just one, but two reviews now from Anandtech have gotten results that should not be happening and that contradict all the available data tells us something is up with the Anandtech cooling reviews and we should take their results with a huge grain of salt.
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post #29 of 86
Whenever i look into a CLC such as Corsair / Swiftech, it always seems that Anandtech's Data is completely different than every other popular reviewer out there rolleyes.gif

I dont understand how anyone can believe in Anandtech's results when there is so much more data going against them from other reviewers :/
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I wonder how the chart would end up if they would all use the same type fans at the same speed.

In all honesty almost all of them are pretty good. Those temps are fine.
 
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