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As title suggests.

And why proper (sennheisers, akg, audio technica etc) headphones > gaming headphones/emulated.
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As title suggests.

And why proper (sennheisers, akg, audio technica etc) headphones > gaming headphones/emulated.


Most " Gaming headphones and headsets use emulated surround sound , I.E a really big marketing gimmick that draws people who know nothing about Headphones in because pro players use them or because They see everyone of theyre " Bro Friends using them". The Quality and the longevity of better actual Headphones is so much better than people realize. With a good pair of headphones and a decent sound card or AMP you can hear the difference and wonder why you ever used those old headsets. Beware people are a bit of extreme audiophiles , however most of what they say and reccomend comes from use.

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I think it's because you can only do so much with the surround channel on 2.1 headphones (which is what 5.1 and 7.1 emulated headphones are), so you're pretty limited with how far you can go in terms of how good and capable those emulated headphones are. Actual 5.1 headphones or better that use the actual stated channels on the box (5.1, 7.1 or what ever) have the ability to not be limited to what you hear as they actually support the channels and those channels' surround capabilities.

Sorry if that sounded weird.. I'm not great with words.
    
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As title suggests.

And why proper (sennheisers, akg, audio technica etc) headphones > gaming headphones/emulated.

gaming headsets with multiple drivers provide better positional cues than stereo headphones but the sound quality and drivers are not as good and you can get pretty convincing positional cues with Dolby Headphone or CMSS-3D.
    
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also some people like to listen to music when they are not gaming.
    
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gaming headsets with multiple drivers provide better positional cues than stereo headphones but the sound quality and drivers are not as good and you can get pretty convincing positional cues with Dolby Headphone or CMSS-3D.

Wrong thread man, this isnt where we praise Dolby Headphone (which I have on my xonar, and its awful even on my old HS1A which was made with 7.1 emulation in mind) or CMSS3D.
Neither emulation method works well, it just sounds BAD in every possible way. Heck it doesnt actually emulate the channels, it just spreads the sound around, not accurately cause the cups dont have more than a driver.

Its like turning on a filter such as "Arena" it just feels, bad. But then again if you buy a pair of emulated headphones and turn off the emulation, they will sound bad, so if youre one of those who have emulated headphones, and have nothing to compare to, obviously youre gonna defend the emulation to death. Cause without it, the headphones sound like something worth 2 dollars.
Dolby headphone does NOT improve 3d positioning than normal headphones, it makes everything more air-y and inaccurate. Its called placebo, especially if you aint got nothing to compare to, i.e. proper headphones.

And "True" 7.1 headphones like that Razer one wont actually work well, the drivers are too close to your ear so you dont get an accurate perception of location. If you want true surround you get a surround sound system, not a headset that emulates it. If you want true and high quality reproduction with great positioning in both games and music? Go buy headphones.
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i'm not a man. Razer Tiamat spatial cues are just fine. Turtle Beach makes one that is pretty good too. do you have a closed back headphone? I game in stereo with no post processing.
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i'm not a man. Razer Tiamat spatial cues are just fine. Turtle Beach makes one that is pretty good too. do you have a closed back headphone? I game in stereo with no post processing.

Theres nothing worse than closed cups.

Not to mention, the other headsets that I used back in the day when I was a complete turd in terms of soundqualtiy, were all closed.
G35, Fatal1ty, HS1, HS1A, three were "intended" for 7.1 garbage.
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I don't understand the point of this thread. Are you just asking for people who share your opinion to explain why they do?
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normal entry level headphones < "gaming" headpones < real man headphones

they aren't horrible by any means and you could possibly enjoy them, just know that a lot of what your paying for is gimmicsk. for just a TAD bit more money you can get some entry level professional grade surround units that won't be sold with gimmicks and will sound better
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