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Originally Posted by Nocturnal Link View Post

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What the heck do you mean there is no 7.1?...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.1_surround_sound

I have an AVR setup with 7 speakers and 1 sub woofer... it exists. I mean, you can go to just about any movie theater and experience 10.2 surround sound.

I think there is about less than a dozen movies whose original sound is recorded in 7.1 everything else is remixed.

7.1 main selling point used to be if your room was on the larger side, 7.1 would make up for the speaker separation.
post #22 of 33
So much wrong information about surround sound...

I'll just leave this here and walk away
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/cinema/dolby-atmos.html

In 5 to 10 years it should be standard in the good movie theaters.

And surround is not for headphones, if you want surround sound get some speakers, you can't emulate (yet) the way that your ear and face shapes the sound unless your record according to that final result right from the start ( yes there are ear microphones).
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Edited by Du@lGeEk - 3/13/13 at 7:22am
post #23 of 33
ha. I can't believe people are advocating emulated surround sound. They must have little expierance with headphone based audio or their ear's just don't work right.
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If your a gamer emulated surround through the headphones is about the best you can do, without annoying your neighbors, family etc. Plus the cost of a good headphone setup vs a good 5.1 setup is huge. I had to stop at 2 speakers because it was getting expensive. Now I wish I had gone with the 2 channel preamp and 2 channel amp wheee.gif
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If your a gamer emulated surround through the headphones is about the best you can do, without annoying your neighbors, family etc. Plus the cost of a good headphone setup vs a good 5.1 setup is huge. I had to stop at 2 speakers because it was getting expensive. Now I wish I had gone with the 2 channel preamp and 2 channel amp wheee.gif

No, Normal headphones would be the best. Why on earth would you spend money on such a marketing gimick?
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post #26 of 33
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I think there is about less than a dozen movies whose original sound is recorded in 7.1 everything else is remixed.

I have 45 movies that are in 7.1 surround and most of them were originally mixed to 7.1. It's fine if they go back and completely re-assemble the sounds to 7.1, and it's not even bad if they re-mix 5.1 to 7.1. What doesn't work well are software or receivers trying to do it on the fly.
 
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There is 2 clubs of people now: first club prefer the normal stereo systems or headphones without any upsaling or emulation just because they are DIDN"T heard that type of sound. They are not talking about is it bad or not after the test, they are saying that it's impossible (my pants are laughing) or that it's just bad for no reason.

Second club of the people probably didn't heared the hi-fi headphones (Sennheiser HD600 and lower IS NOT A Hi-Fi, just an awesome headphones) but tested the 5,1 or 7,1 emulation from stereo speakers inside headphones....and it works...

Now, the moments of the thruth

1) The best Hi-Fi headphones need good sound source like AV-processor and amplifier, good soundcard or AV-Receiver.

All of that stuff can upscale from 5.1 to 7.1 in speaker sets and even has Dolby program technology or CMSS-3D for multi-channel emulation with headphones, no matter Hi-Fi it or not, sound will be just another, not worse.

2) There is some true 5.1 and 7.1 headphones on the market. They are nice, big, sound is good also for average gamer or musician, but cost is high, might be heavy, multu-channel soundcard needed.

Two bigger speaker inside stereo headphones are usually better just because of stereo Hi-Fi headphones and not by their size. There is no headsets with multi-channel hi-fi sound... Might be in theory and might win some tests, but no models on the market right now.

3) Ok, you have Sennheiser HD800 or some Audio Technica ir Parrot Zik or Sony or ....anything from the market. There is NO reason not to try CMSS-3D, Dolby Headphones or any emulation while you are gaming.

There is nothing that makes sound better or worse, it's just another positions for the sounds in the "area". It works nice for gaming, for some movies. Music could be more strange sometimes.
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There is 2 clubs of people now: first club prefer the normal stereo systems or headphones without any upsaling or emulation just because they are DIDN"T heard that type of sound. They are not talking about is it bad or not after the test, they are saying that it's impossible (my pants are laughing) or that it's just bad for no reason.

Second club of the people probably didn't heared the hi-fi headphones (Sennheiser HD600 and lower IS NOT A Hi-Fi, just an awesome headphones) but tested the 5,1 or 7,1 emulation from stereo speakers inside headphones....and it works...

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All of that stuff can upscale from 5.1 to 7.1 in speaker sets and even has Dolby program technology for multi-channel emulation with headphones, no matter Hi-Fi it or not, sound will be just another, not worse.

2) There is some true 5.1 and 7.1 headphones on the market. They are nice, big, sound is good also for average gamer or musician, but cost is high, might be heavy, multu-channel soundcard needed.

Two bigger speaker inside stereo headphones are usually better just because of stereo Hi-Fi headphones and not by their size. There is no headsets with multi-channel hi-fi sound... Might be in theory and might win some tests, but no models on the market right now.

3) Ok, you have Sennheiser HD800 or some Audio Technica ir Parrot Zik or Sony or ....anything from the market. There is NO reason not to try CMSS-3D, Dolby Headphones or any emulation while you are gaming.

There is nothing that makes sound better or worse, it's just another positions for the sounds in the "area". It works nice for gaming, for some movies. Music could be more strange sometimes.

Haha, good joke man.
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Sorry, but HRTF doesn't really work either. It sounds pretty realistic, but it just can't pull off differentiating front and back that well. And no, you do not need visual cues to pull off that.
 
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No, Normal headphones would be the best. Why on earth would you spend money on such a marketing gimick?
I meant stereo headphones with 5.1 emulated through the soundcard,
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