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It was my plan to upgrade my rig this summer with with a 4770k and a gtx 770. It will really suck if I'll have to wait till Q4 for the graphics.

Odd how both companies seem to agree on this delay, if true.
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Originally Posted by Foolsmasher View Post

My 7970 Lightning clocked to 1275/1550 provides twice the performance of my 6970 at its max overclocks. It was cheaper than going crossfire to boot. That is one heck of a jump.

It certainly warranted an upgrade for me, especially w/ Crysis 3 coming out.

Yeah the problem is the price this gen was way to high.. I mean I got my 6970 for 300 bucks... to get a 7970 literally a year after release for 400+ seems pretty ridiculous to me.
 
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My 7970 Lightning clocked to 1275/1550 provides twice the performance of my 6970 at its max overclocks. It was cheaper than going crossfire to boot. That is one heck of a jump.

It certainly warranted an upgrade for me, especially w/ Crysis 3 coming out.

Yeah the problem is the price this gen was way to high.. I mean I got my 6970 for 300 bucks... to get a 7970 literally a year after release for 400+ seems pretty ridiculous to me.

The 6970 was nowhere near as competitive as the 7970 is. It's like complaining that the 4870 cost more than the 3870.
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Wow...so, if the 7xx dropped this summer, some people with not one, but multiple 6xx cards instead would feel obsolete - we have self-esteem issues I think...

Some people want to be on the bleeding edge of technology. If they got the money to blow on the latest and greatest, then what's wrong with them buying it? They can spend their hard-earned money on whatever they want. Plus, it's easier to sell a gtx 680 before the next cards debut because they will have a higher resell value. If you wait, they're not going to be in demand as much, and it's going to be harder to sell them. You then use the money you got from selling your cards into getting the new ones. So, the cost to have the newest isn't necessarily that expensive, given you actually sell your cards.
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Well, I am to see the 7xx myself, along with the "reactions" of those that will figure out that it will have little to do with current GK110, the GF Titan etc...
The strategy has been drawn, and it is not like 4xx/5xx guys: nVidia will have 2x branches of cards, at least for Kepler - the computation cards like the K20/GK110 (plus its offsprings like the GF Titan), and the viewport cards - like the GK104 based GTX 6xx and Quadro K5000.

For all we know, titan could be the GTX 780. All of the information that we have got on NV's next-gen cards are all rumors. Only time will tell if they're true or false.
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Guess what: gamers, ie most of the graphic card aficionados in OCN and in the industry alike, will want the "viewport" versions, and this is proven already: the 5xx cards are better in computation, but blown away in games. But no, if we have a "4" in the code name, means it is not "good enough" and we are waiting for the 10...how silly is that? I thought it was about results, not wording.

You're right that the bulk of the gamers out there usually get the best bang for buck card, but the 5xx wasn't that bad in gaming. It was, after all, the top performing single GPU card in its time. It is the results that matters, and I don't think most of the people buying graphics cards could care less about the model number (some may care about the brand, though). As long as it has the performance and features that fits the user's budget, then that's all that really matters.
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The 4xx cards and GF100, "graduated" to 5xx GF110 - same mm2, same lithographic process, same ballpark of transistor count. Not "double" like the GK104 /GK 110.
The 7xx will not be 1x nm, so do not expect the GK114 or whatnot to be in the shader/transistor (think mm2) of the GK110, nor ofc being a straight GK110. If by Q4 they can guarantee a finer lithography, they might give you "more" transistors, but nothing close to the mm2 of the GK110. They are here to make money with long term investments, not please the unrealistic expectations of "religious" fanboys. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I think that it's pretty obvious that the 7xx won't be 1xnm. They already had a hard enough time trying to get good yields on GK110 back when the GTX 680 was released. Heck, even then, the 680 was OOS because of poor yields. For all we know, the 780 may just be a revision of the 680 with some more cores, rops, etc. and a 384-bit bus.
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You want to keep calling it "big-kepler" ala big-fermi etc word games, fine.
But I would get an educated guess and say - again - you are thinking WRONG.

I think we all call it "big-kepler", the "true" flagship, etc. because it's easier to associate those names with that gpu. And who are you pointing all of this towards anyways?

First, they were saying that the 780 would be using GK110, and offer like 55% more performance than the 680 while costing $500. Then, they are saying that the 780 is going to use GK114 and be only 15% faster, like Sea Islands. Then, they're releasing a completely different card that is called Titan, and it will have the performance of a 690 while costing $900. Now, they're saying that both AMD and NV will delay their cards until Q4. These rumors are all over the place. So, I'm just going to sit out of this and wait until there is some official confirmation by the companies on this. I guess we will find out when Q2 rolls around.

Anyways (if this rumor is true), I was looking forward to a Q2 release to replace my old 5770. There are some games that I've been wanting to play/mod, and I can't really play them because my card is too slow. I guess I'll pick up two more monitors now, and upgrade my card when the GTX 7xx/ HD89xx rolls out. Then, I got to worry about getting IB-E in Q3. Then, I got to think about getting the 900D with a watercooled setup. Why does this hobby cost so much???
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You guys on your 670/680's and 6000/7000 series GPU's. I'm still using a 5850, playing most of my games at 30-40 fps with a mix of high/v.high settings with some med settings, and some ports on max.

I've been holding out for a big upgrade, and this delay only gives me more time to save my money up and bide my time while the next gen consoles arrive smile.gif
post #96 of 168
I just dont know why NVIDIA does not drop the damn prices of the GTX660 and 660Ti

amd destroy those cards with the 7870 and 7950...and they STILL dont go lower in prices

Man...I love PhysX too much....
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Terrible news for me. It's strange, considering AMD said Sea Islands was ready for production in September. The delays may be due to the diminishing returns from each process shrink that nV was complaining about in March, 2012. It seems like both companies are delaying their 28nm refreshes, presumably to delay 22nm products even more.

That is a good article that talks about the issues both Nvidia and AMD face with their GPU's; Holmes posted graphs about the high cost of 20nm and beyond a while ago too.

Nvidia and AMD are taking very different approaches with their Geforce/Radeon lines of GPU's considering these issues.
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This is totally screwing with my laptop upgrade options for this year or next.

Heh, yeah frown.gif, chips being pushed back isn't good for anyone if true. At least Titan seems like it has more of a point to existence now...
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All this talk about the titan and 780 gtx is just really confusing to the laymen. From what all the information spread around so far, is the titan supposed to be more powerful, as powerful, or weaker than the 780 gtx? I was just looking to upgrade to the next latest card, but the new labels gets confusing.
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All this talk about the titan and 780 gtx is just really confusing to the laymen. From what all the information spread around so far, is the titan supposed to be more powerful, as powerful, or weaker than the 780 gtx? I was just looking to upgrade to the next latest card, but the new labels gets confusing.

Assuming the 780 is a kepler refresh on 28nm, then yes the titan will be more powerful due to using the huge GK110 die.
 
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