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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2026797/valve-sued-in-germany-over-game-ownership.html
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Steam users own the games they purchase and should be able to resell them when they want to, just like owners of traditional card or board games can, said Carola Elbrecht, project manager for consumer rights in the digital world at the VZBV, on Thursday. But while those traditional game owners can resell their games whenever they like, Steam users often cannot, she said.
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Interesting.
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i understand the EULA hardly ever affects those in the EU, be interesting to see how this plays out.
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I hope they win.

"manager for consumer rights in the digital world." I sure wish we had these in the west...
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PC Gamers haven't been able to sell used games for ages since they started locking your cd-key to an online account.

now any game that you dont have to register for ala product key travels with the disk I don't see an issue and can be sold.

But also with steam you are often buying games at massive discounts. If you buy anything on steam at full price you are foolish. But first sale doctrine at least in the US should allow us to sell what we own but more and more that is not becoming the case. First sale doctrine as it relates to digital goods to be seriously looked at in the US and every where else. Needs to catch up with the times. Because without it companies will continue to claim we only rent a license for stuff we buy. Even with physical goods that you can't give back.
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in b4 you don't own the game, you're just licensing it. biggrin.gif

wait, too late mad.gif
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The EU did rule that you should be able to resell digital games, no distribution service has offered the chance for it yet (GMG doesnt count) so we'll see how this pans out.
 
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As much as I like Valve...I'm more than interested in them losing this one...sadly though...considering the precedent set by other cases with software and PC games I don't see this ending in the consumers favor. Personally, I would have gone after Valve, Ubisoft, EA, and most of the industry if I had time or money. Going after one can't change anything because they don't own the IP and are an intermediate subject to terms and conditions set by their negotiations with the IP/copyright owners (AKA the studios/devs).
     
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As much as I like Valve...I'm more than interested in them losing this one...sadly though...considering the precedent set by other cases with software and PC games I don't see this ending in the consumers favor. Personally, I would have gone after Valve, Ubisoft, EA, and most of the industry if I had time or money. Going after one can't change anything because they don't own the IP and are an intermediate subject to terms and conditions set by their negotiations with the IP/copyright owners (AKA the studios/devs).

Well, when you think about it. Valve being the bigger and most veteran of the digital platforms, it would serve as example to the smaller ones like origin/ea and uplay/ubisoft to do the same. Cause imagine if gamers could resell on steam. Think how many gamers would flock to steam in the process.
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I know this drum has been beaten a few times before, but we do not own the games; we buy a, currently non-transferable, license to play them.

I am in two minds about the re-selling of digital games.

On the one hand if we could sell, or transfer the license of, used games then it might increase sales; people may be more willing to spend their money if they thought they could re-coup some of it later. It would be nice from my point of view to be able to sell off the games I have completed and have no interest in playing again, like MW3, or the games I didn't like in the first place like the Dead Space series (sorry, not my type of game).

Against that is the possibility that the second hand market would reduce sales of "new" games. This would have the effect of driving up prices to compensate and reducing the number of crazy cheap promotions. Although you could re-coup some of this higher price by re-selling, it sets the entry level higher and increases the investement in games that you want to keep.

I really don't know which way to lean on this. Yes I would love to be able to re-sell some of my games, but on the other hand I do enjoy the fact that they are fairly cheap to start with and are very often reduced in things like the Steam sales.
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