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I know this drum has been beaten a few times before, but we do not own the games; we buy a, currently non-transferable, license to play them.

I am in two minds about the re-selling of digital games.

On the one hand if we could sell, or transfer the license of, used games then it might increase sales; people may be more willing to spend their money if they thought they could re-coup some of it later. It would be nice from my point of view to be able to sell off the games I have completed and have no interest in playing again, like MW3, or the games I didn't like in the first place like the Dead Space series (sorry, not my type of game).

Against that is the possibility that the second hand market would reduce sales of "new" games. This would have the effect of driving up prices to compensate and reducing the number of crazy cheap promotions. Although you could re-coup some of this higher price by re-selling, it sets the entry level higher and increases the investement in games that you want to keep.

I really don't know which way to lean on this. Yes I would love to be able to re-sell some of my games, but on the other hand I do enjoy the fact that they are fairly cheap to start with and are very often reduced in things like the Steam sales.

Welcome to economics where there usually isn't a "right" answer.
     
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Valve will win this one.

It's like complaining that you can't sell your xbox live arcade games to your friends.

While one day Steam may have a feature to trade or even sell(with valve taking a cut) your used games to other, this is something that should never be forced by courts. Plus you can't sell any PC game, A lot of games that use CD-Keys will activate those in special ways. PC game resale is a niche market anyway, if it ever becomes something bigger it needs the right direction.
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Welcome to economics where there usually isn't a "right" answer.

As my last boss said of thermodynamics: "there are no right answers, but lots of wrong ones."
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Valve was warned in September by the VZBV to change this practice, but the company did not comply with the federation's demands. Therefore, the federation sued the company in the District Court of Berlin on Wednesday.

Serves them right. I'm happy that the Germans are going after them.

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Valve will win this one.

It's like complaining that you can't sell your xbox live arcade games to your friends.

While one day Steam may have a feature to trade or even sell(with valve taking a cut) your used games to other, this is something that should never be forced by courts. Plus you can't sell any PC game, A lot of games that use CD-Keys will activate those in special ways. PC game resale is a niche market anyway, if it ever becomes something bigger it needs the right direction.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/03/eu-court-rules-its-legal-to-resell-digital-games-software/
 
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I hope Valve burns on this one.
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As much of a fan as I am of Steam and Valve, I really hope they lose this and the US follows suit. I thought we were able to sell used software regardless under the Fair Use law, but I could be wrong.
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I know this drum has been beaten a few times before, but we do not own the games; we buy a, currently non-transferable, license to play them.

I am in two minds about the re-selling of digital games.

On the one hand if we could sell, or transfer the license of, used games then it might increase sales; people may be more willing to spend their money if they thought they could re-coup some of it later. It would be nice from my point of view to be able to sell off the games I have completed and have no interest in playing again, like MW3, or the games I didn't like in the first place like the Dead Space series (sorry, not my type of game).

Against that is the possibility that the second hand market would reduce sales of "new" games. This would have the effect of driving up prices to compensate and reducing the number of crazy cheap promotions. Although you could re-coup some of this higher price by re-selling, it sets the entry level higher and increases the investement in games that you want to keep.

I really don't know which way to lean on this. Yes I would love to be able to re-sell some of my games, but on the other hand I do enjoy the fact that they are fairly cheap to start with and are very often reduced in things like the Steam sales.

In all fairness Green Man Gaming offers a trade in feature where you can trade in a game you own for some store credit and their prices are as good if not better than steam. Ironically the games that cannot be traded in are the ones that require a steam account.

I also do not like that I am licensing the game rather than owning it with valve being able to take it away on a whim if I dont agree to their policies and such. Either make us own the game or severely reduce the cost of new games since we technically do not own them, paying 50$ for a game I do not even own is a ripoff.
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Seeing this lawsuit, I wonder how this will effect the way Sony is 'supposedly' blocking second hand games.
 
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Someone needs to figure out how to code a worn-out box with a Best Buy price tag, a scratched disc and a cracked jewel case.
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