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Dude, buy your games from somewhere else, problem solved
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Sorry, but if consoles are the most profitable platforms (which they are, because there are millions more console gamers than PC gamers) then how come their preowned markets aren't crippling them?

Because the console has 1000x times the users the PC has so it doesn't affect them that much. Plus the fact that console gamers arn't the critical bunch the PC community is.

Can't you see how crippled the PC is as a gaming platform? Crappy ports because its cheap or no game at all. That isn't because they make bucket loads of money from the PC gamers.
    
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Sorry, but if consoles are the most profitable platforms (which they are, because there are millions more console gamers than PC gamers) then how come their preowned markets aren't crippling them?

Because the console has 1000x times the users the PC has so it doesn't affect them that much. Plus the fact that console gamers arn't the critical bunch the PC community is.

Can't you see how crippled the PC is as a gaming platform? Crappy ports because its cheap or no game at all. That isn't because they make bucket loads of money from the PC gamers.


Cuz used car sales killed the auto industry right? And used homes caused the bubble to burst in real estate right? Used bicycles killed the cycling industry right? Craigslist omg, what now?
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Well, that's just the thing that boggles my european mind ebcause the only people fighting this happen to live stateside... It's like you guys dislike having consumer rights, and without a government body giving you and protecting those rights you have no way of enforcing them.

You only responded to the one thing I said I didn't want to address?

The irony is that some people have accused Valve of being greedy, but it seems that "pro-reselling" argument revolves entirely around short-sighted self interest. And there seems to be no attempt to hide that.

Society( and voluntary exchange) is build on cooperation. Governments( and war) are based on conflict, winners and losers, and might makes right.
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Well then. Why shouldn't used digital copies be resold. They are property just like anything else. If the can't be resold, then the shouldn't be sold in the first place. Consumers wont lose anything. Again you're looking at this from a confortability stand point but have no problem blowing people's rights out of the water. Lets get this straight. I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SELL MY USED STUFF, DIGIGITAL OR NOT. If the industry can't get around that then that is their problem not mine. There is no way anyone who wants a game "cheaper" is going to priority of the rights of someone else. So if your cheap new game prevents me from my right to resell the game...tough! Deal with it. TOO BAD. BOO HOO. CRY ME A RIVER. As it stands you sir are the one saying to my face that I have no right to resell my games. You are the one saying I have to deal with losing my right to resell games because it affords you some sort of benefit like cheap games or online service or something. You really think that games are cheap because of this? Dude the CEO and boards of execs are walking all the way to the bank with your money. At a clip of 1000/1 over their average employee. I'm sure these games are dirt cheap because this is the cheapest way to do it. The reason they dont allow used sales is because these same execs are scared to lose money! So in reality they have you in hand like a little pet. You cry, "NO NO used sales games would hurt the PC industry" You obvioulsy dont remember these people making big bank before this do you? You are a fool!

Obviously you fail to see your fault here, yes the CEO and exescs are loaded but you forget that this is A BUSINESS and companies will do whatever they can to make MORE MONEY. Your used games cut into that and that is why the used gaming market for PC gaming would NOT BE A GOOD THING as they see it as you taking business away from them. PC gaming is a the least profitable market and you are reluctant to even have PC titles at this point.
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Cuz used car sales killed the auto industry right? And used homes caused the bubble to burst in real estate right? Used bicycles killed the cycling industry right? Craigslist omg, what now?

No your right whe get all the awesome copy and pasta ports because PC gaming is booming bussiness rolleyes.gif
    
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This is the way I see it too. If you are going to be selling over Steam then you are using their service and they are more than welcome to take a cut.
Yes I agree. But why do you need to resell with their service? Why does the game have to be tied to their service? Why does a game have to be tied to any service? Open your eyes man. Idealy you would be able to buy a digital copy like you would a hard copy from a digital store. Then just resell the copy as you wish. Why does a game need to be tied to Steam? Steam ties the game to their service. So does origin or Uplay. This is only going to grow worse and worse. WHY? becuase we continue to buy the freaking games and make them money. As Karl Marx used to say...we are useful idiots! We allow our rights to be broken for the convenience of something we want. It's stupid. Now someone finally wants to set this straight and says "Hey that's not right. Digital copies are the property of the person who bought them...I want to fight for their rights as consumers" and people are up in arms because they think they will lose the convenience.
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I think the new model will be subscription based so that you are only ever renting the game (netflix?). Imagine if every steam user paid $5 a week to play every game they wanted, Win for steam ultimately.
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Except that used games don't hurt the console industry, and they didn't hurt the PC industry before, either.

Then why are console gaming sales on a decline while PC gaming sales are rising?

In the end what would this really mean for the consumer is what it comes down to. The right to sell a game (under some strict guideline most likely) would not be the saving grace we think it could be.
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Obviously you fail to see your fault here, yes the CEO and exescs are loaded but you forget that this is A BUSINESS and companies will do whatever they can to make MORE MONEY. Your used games cut into that and that is why the used gaming market for PC gaming would NOT BE A GOOD THING as they see it as you taking business away from them. PC gaming is a the least profitable market and you are reluctant to even have PC titles at this point.
So instead you rather have your rights violated, give these companies all the power, and you not own anything, so you can sit home and play games. Nice priorities! Just wait...with your mentality soon we will have online saving only and then these games you dont even own will only last as long as the servers. OH WAIT that already happened. Guess what that's your fault. You wanted to play games and you let them take advantage of you and this is what you got. Hope youre happy. I'm not. You earned this for me too
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