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Again nobody is forcing you to buy Steamworks games. What about all the apps you buy in App store, Market etc.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't his point.
When buying a game that uses steam works or any other third party software you aren't "forced" to use it or even buy it but it is an uneccessary piece of unrelated software you may or may not want to use.
Now if that software inhibits you from using a the product in the lawfull way you desire then it is an obstacle set up to obstruct your rights.
Not all people buy so called "apps" I for one doesn't
Speculations of what a person may or may not do and how he may or may not reason about that action is irrelevant.
 
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Again nobody is forcing you to buy Steamworks games. What about all the apps you buy in App store, Market etc.

Just because you don't need to buy something doesn't mean that the company making that something gets to infringe on your consumer rights (and yes since we're talking EU here, rights).
 
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They should make it so if they sell the game for $10 Steam/Publisher get $5. If this is allow it worse then piracy. All those 8 hour SP games you buy for $50 and sell it for 40-45 and it get done 5-10 times with publishers losing $200-$450. Sorry but piracy is enough. EU has some weird laws that dont apply well in the western world.
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They should make it so if they sell the game for $10 Steam/Publisher get $5. If this is allow it worse then piracy. All those 8 hour SP games you buy for $50 and sell it for 40-45 and it get done 5-10 times with publishers losing $200-$450. Sorry but piracy is enough. EU has some weird laws that dont apply well in the western world.

SInce not many games are situated in the 40-45 price bracket i can only assume that not many buyers have that specific accept price. based on steam pricing im going to assume you have set levels at 5-10-15-20-25-50. In any case your assumption relies on prices holding steady at 40-45 once the market is flooded (which you implly) prices will drop sharply in order for people to recouperate their losses.
Market economy.
 
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The whole "developer should get a cut of used sales" makes no sense. They already got their cut - when they sold the game the first time. I don't understand why people automatically assume game developers should have rights that other industries don't. Books last a long time, but no one argues that authors should get a cut of used book sales.

Just because they've figured out a way to restrict used sales (which everyone would like to do) doesn't mean we should support them in it. I'm sure Toyota would love to "license" their cars and restrict used sales - everyone realizes how ludicrous that would be, but they have no problem with the same logic applying to games.
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They should make it so if they sell the game for $10 Steam/Publisher get $5. If this is allow it worse then piracy. All those 8 hour SP games you buy for $50 and sell it for 40-45 and it get done 5-10 times with publishers losing $200-$450. Sorry but piracy is enough. EU has some weird laws that dont apply well in the western world.

The publisher loses nothing since the original sale has been done. They never had those 2nd hand sales in the first place.

If a company sells a license to a consumer the consumer should then be able to sell it onwards.
 
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PS: a contract in which you sign off away your rights is at least in EU invalid. you simply cant sign away your rights

Same in most civilised countries.
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Again nobody is forcing you to buy Steamworks games. What about all the apps you buy in App store, Market etc.

This is such a ridiculous, tired and childish argument.
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They should make it so if they sell the game for $10 Steam/Publisher get $5. If this is allow it worse then piracy. All those 8 hour SP games you buy for $50 and sell it for 40-45 and it get done 5-10 times with publishers losing $200-$450. Sorry but piracy is enough. EU has some weird laws that dont apply well in the western world.

No, the weird thing is trying to say that reselling your game loses the company any money doh.gif

The EU ahs some extremely consumer friendly laws that protect consumer rights. something quite unheard of in America. Let's not try to pretend that consumer rights in the EU are whack or weird.
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The publisher loses nothing since the original sale has been done. They never had those 2nd hand sales in the first place.

If a company sells a license to a consumer the consumer should then be able to sell it onwards.

It's not about losing money from 2nd hand sales - it's about not being able to sell the 2nd, 3rd, 4th person the brand new software when they can pick it up cheaply or ultimately - just borrow it like the old days.
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I'm wondering if the tone of this thread would be different if it was EA/Origin or Ubisoft/Uplay being sued instead of Valve/Steam.
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