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Yeah, so lot's not bother, then?

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Care to point out where I ever made that assertion?

Or were you being serious?
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Did you even read my reply? I acknowledged that there is no cost. I completely understand, and have always understood, that implementing this system will cost little (is any) money.

That is not the issue. The issue is that publishers are going to believe they are losing revenue, as they will perceive used game sales as lost sales.

Yes, they will... and then they will include VIP codes and other new buy incentives just like they do with console games. Like multiplayer codes that only work once and then a second buyer has to unlock it. Or one time use free DLC that second buyers would have to pay for. They do this now and it's working for them. They make money where they didn't before.
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Care to point out where I ever made that assertion?

Or were you being serious?

Is that not what you were talking about? Trying to say it's only good if it's enforcible, like we can't or won't enforce it? Putting a negative slant on consumer rights is just... facepalm.gif











Also, just while I'm at it? PC games would cost more? They cost less right now because there is no licencing costs involved on the PC.
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~MadPistol

I'm done. I can't be bothered with your obfuscating the issue and generally being wrong. The issue is clear. The EU says you can resell, therefore that's that.

I'm wrong, but yet you offer no proof to disprove me. rolleyes.gif

I understand the issue very well, and I have thought about it long and hard. There are two sides to every argument, and honestly, just because my point of view doesn't line up with you doesn't mean I'm "wrong." Perhaps in your mind, but we all think about things differently.
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/1/13 at 5:47pm
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That's not what I was saying at all........
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I'm wrong, but yet you offer no proof to disprove me. rolleyes.gif

I already have been. However, you will only try and bend it (trying to liken selling a digital copy to stealing or taking someone work) or obfuscate it, then accuse me of insulting you. That's where I drew the line.
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That's not what I was saying at all........

What did you mean, then?
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I already have been. However, you will only try and bend it (trying to liken selling a digital copy to stealing or taking someone work) or obfuscate it, then accuse me of insulting you. That's where I drew the line.

I appreciate it. It was nice discussing the topic with you. thumb.gif
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I appreciate it. It was nice discussing the topic with you. thumb.gif

I already know I think the direct opposite of you, that you're wrong and I'm not going to move so it's best to just leave it amicably? I wasn't insulting you. Least not on purpose. When someone says you're insulting them and that's not your meaning then it's bes tot drop the subject frown.gif
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I already know I think the direct opposite of you, that you're wrong and I'm not going to move so it's best to just leave it amicably? I wasn't insulting you. Least not on purpose. When someone says you're insulting them and that's not your meaning then it's bes tot drop the subject frown.gif

I welcome an opposing view point with open arms. It gives us something to discuss, and I like that about this community. Just be careful how you word your replies. I see your points, but the key is how you write it. I try and be as passive as possible in my posts because I do not want to make anyone angry (and if I do, it's not intentional.)

Again, I like to discuss things. That was never the issue.

Now that that has been said, I've made my point (whether others agree with it or not is up to them) and I am bowing out of this thread.


Lets all try and remain civil so this thread does not get locked. thumb.gif
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The problem with this is... it'd be no different than piracy.
1 person bought it and passed it along, and along, and along, and along.

It is not in any way or form piracy. Piracy aka copyright infringement is the unauthorized use of works protected by copyright. When you buy a game on steam you are given a single licence and with that licence you are authorized to use that software and even duplicate it with in the limits of the law.

What is being discussed is the fact that that single licence should be resealable/transferable by German law but currently steam (and other) game licenses cannot be. So steam is in essence by operating in Germany breaking consumer rights laws and this is the reason they are being sued.

Companies can not pick and chose which laws to follow just like a normal citizen can't. A citizen must respect the copyright laws or face the consequences and companies must respect the consumer rights laws or face the consequences.
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I welcome an opposing view point with open arms. It gives us something to discuss, and I like that about this community. Just be careful how you word your replies. I see your points, but the key is how you write it. I try and be as passive as possible in my posts because I do not want to make anyone angry (and if I do, it's not intentional.)

Again, I like to discuss things. That was never the issue.

Now that that has been said, I've made my point (whether others agree with it or not is up to them) and I am bowing out of this thread.


Lets all try and remain civil so this thread does not get locked. thumb.gif

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