Originally Posted by Rubers
Yet another person who doesn't understand the IE thing. You don't understand consumer rights, either.
The TOS means nothing. Law > TOS.
Also, are you serious or are you willfully neglecting the fact that Steam games also come in disc form and no other choice but to use it?
It's not a big problem to resell games AT ALL. It doesn't spoil developers and developers don't lose a penny (since it's publishers who make all the money, they pay developers no matter what).
I notice you have Donkey Kong in your avatar... a throwback from the days of yore when you could lend a friend your cartridge and he'd play "for free"... funny how that didn't ruin gaming, steal money from devs of any of the other litany of silly stuff that gets said.
And no a transfer fee is not fair at all. I already gave one option, which was that the game is lifted from steam account to another, and a fee is paid if the new owner wants to use the "redownload" service Steam offers, otherwise they must always restore using a backed up copy (using steam backup, burnt to a disc and provided to the new buyer by the seller). Valve don't deserve nor have any right to an automatic fee. It should be the users choice to keep using the Steam service for their game (patches and the ability to download forever - the new user should pay for that if they want it.)
No need ot put Steam on some high pedestal. Steam just needs to comply with the law and realise that you should be able to sell digital copies. It's absolutely pathetic that you can't.
How don't I get the IE thing? Its fair to force a big corporation not to add in a basic function into a OS they make? I didn't see them breathing down apples neck to get safari removed. Trying to tell me EU court isn't biased? Not saying US court is much better ether.
Sure Devs and Pubs don't got money but that doesn't mean someone doesn't. Look at gamestop, they pretty much live off resale. Why shouldn't valve get the same action gamestop gets within their own service? It's one thing if your trying to sell a digital game your own when all you have the the install files and key, I got my Arkham city like this free with my SSD. I have a Key and a Folder containing my install files. No Steam and if I wanted to resell I could. Valve shouldn't get a cut of that money at all. But no cost to transfer games between accounts within steam would be the worst mistake ever. What would keep people from passing a game they no longer play to someone else? Passing it to someone so they can play it and then pass it back to you is just as bad as piracy. As your mentioned my throwback avatar, don't forget about "Don't Copy that Floppy" advert. It was always wrong to let someone use your game even when we had cartridges. Piracy is Piracy, letting someone play a game others spent money making for free is just as wrong as anything else.
A small fee to transfer Only that games that are activated to your account, not the unredeemed games. I'm sorry but if a resale system is to be implemented why wouldn't Valve want to make money out of it? Why should they be forced to put up with the extra front-end costs, support costs, all the other costs. If they have to spend money they your damn right it should be taken out of the resale cost, why should users make all the resale money if valve is doing all the background work? And Again if you don't like steam don't use it, i'm sorry if I believe a company should get the money they rightfully have earned.
And just because EU made something a law doesn't mean it is a good Law at all. EU Law can be just as bad as the US patent system at times. And really why not start complaining about all resale for any app. Whats next? Is every App store going to get sued because you can't resell your apps? What makes games on steam any different then the apps you buy on the app store? Truly Resale does nothing more then hurt the Devs in the first place, they don't get a piece of the action. If people didn't have the option the buy a game used them more would buy games brand new. Selling a game 5-10 bucks under retail does nothing more then keep devs form getting the money they worked hard to get and allow a 3rd party to profit.
Resale can be just as dirty of a business as anything else. Am I not the only one who sees this...
I will totally agree that if done right steam users should be able to sell their games. But It would have to be done fully within steam, payment and all. A transfer fee to keep people from abusing the system and all list of approved games for resale. You shouldn't be allowed to sell any game that locks your key into a email account, like many online only games. Though PC Game resale is a pretty niche market and most could care less, especially when your buying the games from steam for near used price anyway.