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And besides, I don't like trivial safety regulations either, consumer rights ones aren't trivial and stupid though.

Some would say that "safety regulations" are much more important than "ownership rights".

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.

But I digress. What do you think should happen when someone from the EU sells their game to an America? Should the US be forced to abide by the new "ownership rights" just because the game was sold in that manner? Because now it becomes a much larger issue to deal with than just the EU market share. What other laws/regulations do you think should be forced on other countries when it comes to software transference?

These are the things I wonder about ... aka the slippery slope.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 2/2/13 at 9:01am
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That's Apple, for you, though. They have a total disregard for consumer laws. They also got in trouble for not offering 24 month warranties as standard.

That's not the fault of the government, or the ruling, it's Apples fault for not complying.

And, basically, Apple stopped selling one product because they didn't want to make it adhere to safety laws. That's not the same as Steam pulling out of Europe, which is very unlikely.
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Some would say that "safety regulations" are much more important than "ownership rights".

I guess it is all in the eye of the beholder.

Basic safety regulations maybe, but the one affecting the mac pro is just stupid.

Personally I think being able to resell your software license is pretty high up when it comes to importance...
 
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Basic safety regulations maybe, but the one affecting the mac pro is just stupid.

Personally I think being able to resell your software license is pretty high up when it comes to importance...

Well, that is the difference between opinion and law. Sadly, your opinion holds little value in a court.

And yes, I agree with you, the EU safety law is stupid, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS the law.
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Well, that is the difference between opinion and law. Sadly, your opinion holds little value in a court.

And yes, I agree with you, the EU safety law is stupid, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS the law.

It's not my opinion that the consumer should be able to sell the license in the EU.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/03/eu-court-rules-its-legal-to-resell-digital-games-software/

Valve hasn't offered the option yet, and as grizzle so nicely earlier put it; hence the lawsuit.
 
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It's not stupid at all. Apple are for not complying.
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It's not my opinion that the consumer should be able to sell the license in the EU.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/03/eu-court-rules-its-legal-to-resell-digital-games-software/

Valve hasn't offered the option yet, and as grizzle so nicely earlier put it; hence the lawsuit.

Yes, I know. The LAW is that you should be able to sell it. It is also the LAW that there has to be a fan guard.

So why your OPINION is that the safety rule is stupid, my OPINION that the ownership rights for transferring Steam games is stupid, any more or less valid with respect to the LAW?


The only question remains is ... What will Steam do about it? Will they cave in to EU law and allow transfer? If they do, what will happen in other countries that do NOT have those same laws? Or will Steam pull and Apple and say "Screw you guys, I'm going home."?
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Yes, I know. The LAW is that you should be able to sell it. It is also the LAW that there has to be a fan.

So why your OPINION is that the safety rule is stupid, my OPINION that the ownership rights for transferring Steam games is stupid.


The only question remains is ... What will Steam do about it? Will they cave in to EU law and allow transfer? If they do, what will happen in other countries that do NOT have those same laws? Or will Steam pull and Apple and say "Screw you guys, I'm going home."?

It Steam pulled out of the EU they would lose MASSIVELY. That is never, ever going to happen.

And the EU law is about a guard on fans. It's not a massive deal and the fact that Apple are pulling a product because THEY don't want to comply says more about Apple than the EU itself. Direct blame where it should be going - to Apple for being ignorant. I mean, really it's an old, out of date product is there's little point updating it. But the fact they're pulling it isn't the EU's fault. At all.

What will happen to countries that don't have such great consumer rights? Maybe they'll follow suit and you can all benefit. But I doubt. You Americans are stuck with 12 months standard warranty. The EU has had 24 for many years.

You should be hoping that you do get the consumer rights many others enjoy. Why are you guys so keen to fight it?
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The only question remains is ... What will Steam do about it? Will they cave in to EU law and allow transfer? If they do, what will happen in other countries that do NOT have those same laws? Or will Steam pull and Apple and say "Screw you guys, I'm going home."?

This is the problem I see. Unless they make only those in able countries provide proof of ID and residence before they can sell their games from both parties involved ( buyer and seller ).

Other than that, the way I see it... Steam/Valve is an American company and should only have to comply with American laws.
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This is the problem I see. Unless they make only those in able countries provide proof of ID and residence before they can sell their games from both parties involved ( buyer and seller ).

Other than that, the way I see it... Steam/Valve is an American company and should only have to comply with American laws.

No, they sell in EU states and thus, like ALL OTHER COMPANIES, are bound by EU laws. This is always the case for every single online transaction and any international company.

Sorry, but saying "this is an American company and thus you only get American consumer rights" is flat out ridiculous. What planet are you living on?

You people just boggle the mind. Christ.
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