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This is really stupid. Who even thinks of selling digital games. I personally don't care about selling any of my games on my steam list. People will always have something stupid to fight about. and why pick on valve? pick on ea or ubisoft...

Yes, this is stupid because YOU have no interest in it.

Also, why are we picking on poor valvey, walvey? Let's pick on the big bad EA and Ubisoft! Let's leave the biggest digital distributor alone and go for the small guys.
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This is really stupid. Who even thinks of selling digital games. People will always have something stupid to fight about.

I have no wish to be a troll here so I'm going to try and leave this thread alone after this last comment.

Why is it stupid to want to resell your game, digital or not if you paid the same price or close to the same price for it? Why should the ownership rights be different? Why couldn't I say, give a game away that I never had time to get around to playing without removing my entire account? Why is it we must add waste to the environment, add more carbon dioxide from spent gas shipping to the store and me going to get it, produced a higher cost to those good devs as physical copies have to be more expensive to make. Why must all of those things be true to keep our rights when we have a perfectly good, easy and fair ways of getting that same content over the internet?

At the end of the day all we are doing is giving our media suppliers control over us by threaten to remove our stuff if we don't follow their rules that might change at any given time. I don't understand the support some of you guys have for this but it is your opinion and I can respect that which is why I'm going to leave this thread alone as I think I said what I wanted to say.
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Yes, this is stupid because YOU have no interest in it.

Also, why are we picking on poor valvey, walvey? Let's pick on the big bad EA and Ubisoft! Let's leave the biggest digital distributor alone and go for the small guys.

Okay i will say its an alright idea but people who sue for things like this are big cry babies that are butt hurt they can't get their way. Most digital content has cdkeys nowadays are bound to something and other games that don't have cdkeys are cheap indie games that you can get on sale for like 1$ to 4$ so in the end for me wanting to sell you digital content is kind of retarded. Valve is an awesome independent gaming company that makes amazing games. I'd rather them not touch steam. No one needs to help delay half life 3.
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No, and now you're just being intentionally obtuse. A transfer fee wouldn't be lawful. at all as it restricts the right to freely transfer something you own. A fee to enable steam service son the second hand game would be fine. But a fee to transfer is not.

Ok, let me rephrase it then. It's not a "transfer fee" it is is a "pain in the butt fee" or "membership fee". If you bought a game from someone else, that's fine. Get the copy of the game FROM THEM. I have no problem with that.

But if you lose it or they don't send it to you, don't whine to a 3rd party saying that they MUST provide you a free copy of x when they had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALE.

Does that explain it better?


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At the end of the day all we are doing is giving our media suppliers control over us by threaten to remove our stuff if we don't follow their rules that might change at any given time. I don't understand the support some of you guys have for this but it is your opinion and I can respect that which is why I'm going to leave this thread alone as I think I said what I wanted to say.

Then pay full priced for a physical copy of the game and take back control of your life.

I almost ALWAYS buy physical copies. Not only does it make installing faster, because I don't have to download 20GB of data, but I am not subject to the whim of another company. With a physical copy in hand, I SAY when and where it gets installed, and if Steam goes out of business ... who cares? I still have my disc!

The only Steam games I have are 100% FREE ones. If Steam changes their rules or goes belly up, I've lost NOTHING.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 2/2/13 at 11:36am
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Yes, I know. The LAW is that you should be able to sell it. It is also the LAW that there has to be a fan guard.

So why your OPINION is that the safety rule is stupid, my OPINION that the ownership rights for transferring Steam games is stupid, any more or less valid with respect to the LAW?


The only question remains is ... What will Steam do about it? Will they cave in to EU law and allow transfer? If they do, what will happen in other countries that do NOT have those same laws? Or will Steam pull and Apple and say "Screw you guys, I'm going home."?

STEAM will comply and adjust. I don't think they would abandon a market of EU (population of more than 500 million people). Anyone that thinks STEAM will withdraw from europe is not in his/her right mind.
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This is really stupid. Who even thinks of selling digital games. I personally don't care about selling any of my games on my steam list. People will always have something stupid to fight about. and why pick on valve? pick on ea or ubisoft...
No wonder that Americans are losing all their rights with such thinking.
Edited by mechati - 2/2/13 at 11:42am
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who is the say that valve doesn't have a feature to sell games in the works or maybe they have thought about it? they did add a steam wallet.
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No wonder that Americans are losing all their rights with such thinking.

I fight for things i think are worth while. I'm content with not selling my games on steam.
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No wonder that Americans are losing all their rights with such thinking.

Seriously. This country has it's collective head in the sand, or up it's own hole between it's butt cheeks.

We are indoctrinated to pander to big business at a young age.
 
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Ok, let me rephrase it then. It's not a "transfer fee" it is is a "pain in the butt fee" or "membership fee". If you bought a game from someone else, that's fine. Get the copy of the game FROM THEM. I have no problem with that.

But if you lose it or they don't send it to you, don't whine to a 3rd party saying that they MUST provide you a free copy of x when they had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SALE.

Does that explain it better?

Any transfer fee would be illegal and unreasonable, no matter how you want to dress it. And yeah that's exactly what I've been saying. Steam only have to allow the transfer of the licence. Nothing more. They don't have to do anything above that. They'd be well within rights to stop all downloading services and charge a fee for access. You would still need to get any kind of media from the seller if you wanted to install it without downloading from Steam.

Why do you even need to mention this whining or expecting Steam to provide you with a copy? No-one would expect this. If you lose your backup your option is to pay the fee to be able to use Steam services or find another form of media somewhere (downloading a steam backup from a dedicated website would be legit)

And no that doesn't explain anything better because you continuously miss the point and intentionally blow it up.

But yeah, any fee would be entirely unreasonable. Steam don't deserve a fee because you are using your right to transfer, but they're well within rights to restrict use of their services (all except playing the game on a Steam account... which costs them nothing).
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I fight for things i think are worth while. I'm content with not selling my games on steam.
Nobody forces you to do it but if you later decide to do so - there will be no problems and all will go smooth.
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Nobody forces you to do it but if you later decide to do so - there will be no problems and all will go smooth.

I understand all this. I'm pretty sure selling digital content will be something that will become more common in the future. Right now I'm content with how steam is functioning. Growing up I never even thought of selling digital games on pc and now thinking about it really doesn't bother me. I've sold console games before. Seeing as most pc games are tied to cdkeys that are attached to something outside of steam i just don't see the selling digital games on steam coming anytime soon. I don't need to sell my half life or indie games i got for like 4 dollars and under for 50 cents or something close to that. I'll live.
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