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hmmmmm well tell steam to start selling their games because they are breaking the law. I'm pretty sure that going to be the same thing for what your saying.

Yeah because steam will listen to me,
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All I have to say is I don't see this selling digital goods to others happening anytime soon. At least for steam.

Happening soon in eu
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Happening soon in eu

GabeN won't allow this.
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It's like buying a car with a bowl of soup in the glove box, and I can eat that soup but if I want to drive the car to the soup store then I have to pay for a gym membership, and then the terrorists have won.

That is about as much sense as this thread is making.

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GabeN won't allow this.

Then he will stop selling his game in the EU if the law changes. It's up to the company rather or not they allow it but the more places that hopefully would demand such things the less places they would have to sell. Gabe doesn't make the law. The only reason why these media companies like EA, Itunes, Origin and etc are thinking they have god like powers is because we let them. It is time to bring everyone back to reality by putting online sellers on equal footing with in-store suppliers.

It wouldn't be hard to find safe ways to sell games. I'm sure ebay would think of a way to do it for a profit as well as other companies like Amazon. You give them your key and price of sell, they check the key and wait for the buyer. Buyer buys it and then take a little off the top for handling the sell for you. It isn't that difficult. Your not forced to use these services. It just takes away the risk of buying these used keys. It would be even nicer if a way could be worked out so that the old key is banned and a new key is made for the new owner.

i believe all it would take is a few popular gaming companies join together and support this and if they have success others will follow. Since that will most likely never happen I can only hope that a few new devs do something similar to this with success.
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GabeN won't allow this.

He's a big man, but he's not bigger then the EU.


Get it - big man. smile.gif
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GabeN won't allow this.

No selling in eu then? I'm pretty sure he will.
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Whereas old gits like me grew up on videogames that you could sell, so not being able to sell digital games is irksome.

I'm an old git who enjoyed video games in his 20's (when they first appeared) and I have ZERO problem with people buying 2nd hand copies of games, but I *DO* have a problem with people buying a second hand video game and EXPECTING someone ELSE to provide me unlimited downloads of that program for ever, regardless of how many times it is sold.

Heck, I just bought 5 copies of Malware Bytes Pro and guess what? I had to electronically download it and they allow me to download it for free for a year, but if I want to download it AFTER THAT TIME, I have to pay an additional fee.

That is pretty typical, reasonable, and I have no problems with it.

Maybe when you buy a 2nd hand game from someone off eBay or off the street, you should have to give THEM a USB drive or CD or email them. YOU sold it, it's YOUR responsibility. As a buyer, DEMAND that when you buy a USED GAME from someone, you get a copy from the SELLER. You are already getting a heck of a discount over buying a $50 game for $15, open up your tight wallet and fork over $0.25 for a blank CD.
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You run that risk with anything you buy used, and yet eBay and the Overclock Marketplace seem to make it work. Valve isn't doing the selling, that's between individual users, so whatever third-party marketplace popped up to support this would account for that somehow. Not Valve's issue at all.

eBay to my knowledge doesn't allow selling of used software ( adobe suites, etc ) on their site. Nor does craigslist or any other relatively open marketplace that I've been too. Most will have the posts flagged in no time and deleted.

And as to ocn's marketplace rule on software; Specifically 2nd to the last.
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The following types of software sales/wanteds/trades are prohibited.
OEM software: Unless it's in the original, factory sealed package or never registered AND accompanied by a significant piece of hardware (defined as optical drive or larger). EXCEPT: Open OEM registered versions of Windows may be sold with the motherboard the OEM license is tied to.
Online accounts: Unless sellers can demonstrate that the EULA does not prohibit sales.
In Game Items
Software keys not accompanied by original media: This includes steam games, pack deals or any other digital download.
Promotional software: Any software received with a hardware purchase must not be sold separately.

It's not something most markets allow because you never know if the key is good or not. There would have to be an absolute guarantee that the key is good and to do that, all parties involved need to be on the same page.
Edited by Shrak - 2/2/13 at 1:21pm
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eBay to my knowledge doesn't allow selling of used software ( adobe suites, etc ) on their site.

I'm not sure about that. I haven't combed over their rules, but I just went on eBay searched for "Adobe" and checked the "used" box and got 3,243 active listings.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=adobe&_dcat=18793&rt=nc&LH_ItemCondition=4
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I'm an old git who enjoyed video games in his 20's (when they first appeared) and I have ZERO problem with people buying 2nd hand copies of games, but I *DO* have a problem with people buying a second hand video game and EXPECTING someone ELSE to provide me unlimited downloads of that program for ever, regardless of how many times it is sold.

Maybe when you buy a 2nd hand game from someone off eBay or off the street, you should have to give THEM a USB drive or CD or email them. YOU sold it, it's YOUR responsibility. As a buyer, DEMAND that when you buy a USED GAME from someone, you get a copy from the SELLER. You are already getting a heck of a discount over buying a $50 game for $15, open up your tight wallet and fork over $0.25 for a blank CD.

Yeah and I've been saying that all along and using pure logic it's highly likely that this is what will happen. Steam have no obligation to provide you with the download at all. Just transfer the licence.

No-one is saying that Steam should transfer their service agreement to the new user. Just the licence to validate and play the game with their account. They should charge any new user who wants to use their service to download the game, use steamcloud, etc.

You have not been reading anything I've said, because you wouldn't even need ot mention any fo that if you had.
Edited by Rubers - 2/2/13 at 1:29pm
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It's not something most markets allow because you never know if the key is good or not. There would have to be an absolute guarantee that the key is good and to do that, all parties involved need to be on the same page.

They don't allow it because it is against the TOS/EULA. It has nothing to do with the "keys may be bad" issue.

And my examples were for used products in general, not software specifically
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