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STEAM will comply and adjust. I don't think they would abandon a market of EU (population of more than 500 million people). Anyone that thinks STEAM will withdraw from europe is not in his/her right mind.
No wonder that Americans are losing all their rights with such thinking.

I have no doubt steam will comply, the publishers on steam on the other hand may decide not to.
As this would be worse for their profitability than piracy ever was.

*Btw for those who don't understand, valve can't just say 'Oh okay everything is tradable' steam is a medium, not the source.
Edited by OwnedINC - 2/2/13 at 5:24pm
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Yeah and I've been saying that all along and using pure logic it's highly likely that this is what will happen. Steam have no obligation to provide you with the download at all. Just transfer the licence.

No-one is saying that Steam should transfer their service agreement to the new user. Just the licence to validate and play the game with their account. They should charge any new user who wants to use their service to download the game, use steamcloud, etc.

You have not been reading anything I've said, because you wouldn't even need ot mention any fo that if you had.

Yeah cause doing these things don't cost valve money at all? Cause i'm sure people arnt going to abuse the system and take over peoples accounts and sell everything off? Who will take care of fixing your account if something like this happens? And I doubt that steam is setup in a way right that now that disabling steam cloud and download/update services would be easy. Your talking about plenty of man hours to rewrite a bunch of code just so a people can make money off steam without valve getting any of that action?

Valve owns steam, it is not fair to be unjust to a company just because they are big. If people don't like the way valve does business then why are they using their services? Valve is a American company, just because they felt it would be nice to share some of the conveniences that we Americans are accustom to doesn't mean EU court should dictate that valve should change their ways. Steam is a online service and the way I see it NO ONE OWNS OR HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTROL WHATS ON IT but the creator themselves.

You are using Valves services, you abide by what they want. Sick and tired of people whining to MOM because they are not getting what they want out of a services they don't own. NO ONE EVER TOLD YOU TO USE STEAM, don't like the games that force you to use steam then don't play them. Company's have right as well, if they forced to make games resealable then your damn right they should profit form it. Why shouldn't they? Your using Steam.....

So if the EU told you it is OK to run a cable line to your nabobs house and have him pay half your cable bill is fine, how would that be fair for the cable company? Kinda hard for a cable company to pull out because they don't like the ruling ether. It is nothing more then bullying. just another way to prove that EU Law is nothing more then a joke. As you said before you get 24 month warranties, now how if it fair to force a company to support a product that long? That hard to purchase a extended warranty or something? Or is it the fact that EU's economy is crumbling and they want to take the cost out of company's pockets. EU probably only consists of 1/3 of steam sales, and I doubt even if things went bad and Valve were to pull out I doubt it would be the entire EU. And while a pullout would look bad for both, it would only be the users in that area that would be effected most. What is stopping the same things to happen to other online app stores, is apple the next one to go though this....

Backwards Law is always Backwards law. And this is by far backwards.
And if all you do is baby the dumb people for not knowing better then how will they ever learn?

Sadly the current stage of human evolution is still pretty sad, especially when we are dealing more with bull like needing fan guards inside a PC or being able to take advantage to a corporation like valve. Instead of trying to explore space or work to join all country's as one.
The diminish of NASA is the worst thing that could have happened this century.

AND AGAIN WHY SHOULD VALVE BE FORCED TO DO ANY OF THIS FOR FREE? I honestly can't stand people who think they should have everything handed to them for free. If you can't afford it, get a better job. Great thing about being human is that you can always stride for something better. And if you owned a large corporation your opinion would be different.
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Although I would love to have the ability to re-sell my games i no longer play, imagine this, someone hacks your account and transfers all of the games you own to their account leaving you with nothing, I think there is a point behind not being able to re-sell, and if they do enable it they better put some hefty security behind it.
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Yeah cause doing these things don't cost valve money at all? Cause i'm sure people arnt going to abuse the system and take over peoples accounts and sell everything off? Who will take care of fixing your account if something like this happens? And I doubt that steam is setup in a way right that now that disabling steam cloud and download/update services would be easy. Your talking about plenty of man hours to rewrite a bunch of code just so a people can make money off steam without valve getting any of that action?

Valve owns steam, it is not fair to be unjust to a company just because they are big. If people don't like the way valve does business then why are they using their services? Valve is a American company, just because they felt it would be nice to share some of the conveniences that we Americans are accustom to doesn't mean EU court should dictate that valve should change their ways. Steam is a online service and the way I see it NO ONE OWNS OR HAS THE RIGHT TO CONTROL WHATS ON IT but the creator themselves.

You are using Valves services, you abide by what they want. Sick and tired of people whining to MOM because they are not getting what they want out of a services they don't own. NO ONE EVER TOLD YOU TO USE STEAM, don't like the games that force you to use steam then don't play them. Company's have right as well, if they forced to make games resealable then your damn right they should profit form it. Why shouldn't they? Your using Steam.....

So if the EU told you it is OK to run a cable line to your nabobs house and have him pay half your cable bill is fine, how would that be fair for the cable company? Kinda hard for a cable company to pull out because they don't like the ruling ether. It is nothing more then bullying. just another way to prove that EU Law is nothing more then a joke. As you said before you get 24 month warranties, now how if it fair to force a company to support a product that long? That hard to purchase a extended warranty or something? Or is it the fact that EU's economy is crumbling and they want to take the cost out of company's pockets. EU probably only consists of 1/3 of steam sales, and I doubt even if things went bad and Valve were to pull out I doubt it would be the entire EU. And while a pullout would look bad for both, it would only be the users in that area that would be effected most. What is stopping the same things to happen to other online app stores, is apple the next one to go though this....

Backwards Law is always Backwards law. And this is by far backwards.
And if all you do is baby the dumb people for not knowing better then how will they ever learn?

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The diminish of NASA is the worst thing that could have happened this century.

AND AGAIN WHY SHOULD VALVE BE FORCED TO DO ANY OF THIS FOR FREE? I honestly can't stand people who think they should have everything handed to them for free. If you can't afford it, get a better job. Great thing about being human is that you can always stride for something better. And if you owned a large corporation your opinion would be different.


It would not cost much for Valve to implement a system to allow the lifting of a key from one account to another, and any costs they do encounter will likely be subsidised by the EU. It's a common fact that governments are always willing to help companies adapt to changes in legislation. Once Valve sets up such a system it could operate with very little human oversight and little computer resources, much akin to their Steam Guard system does now (humans very, very rarely have to be involved in that).

Maybe you wouldn't get so worked up over things if you understood them. Consumer rights are in your benefit.
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Although I would love to have the ability to re-sell my games i no longer play, imagine this, someone hacks your account and transfers all of the games you own to their account leaving you with nothing, I think there is a point behind not being able to re-sell, and if they do enable it they better put some hefty security behind it.

Since Steam Guard the only way your account can be hacked is if the attacker has access to your e-mail and Steam. There are levels of protection you could go through to ensure it's harder for a scumbag to do something like that.
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Since Steam Guard the only way your account can be hacked is if the attacker has access to your e-mail and Steam. There are levels of protection you could go through to ensure it's harder for a scumbag to do something like that.

Unfortunately the email isn't too hard to get access to in most cases. People are too predictable when it comes to passes and secret questions if you know the person at all then in most cases it takes little effort to get the answers.

After that you would just need to guess the steam password, and in most cases again people are predictable and use the same pass for everything. If not then you can go to the secret questions.

Of course those simple methods require you to know the user you want access to.

I wouldn't mind having a Steam STS as a 3rd and infinitely more reliable and beefy protection than any user password.
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Unfortunately the email isn't too hard to get access to in most cases. People are too predictable when it comes to passes and secret questions if you know the person at all then in most cases it takes little effort to get the answers.

After that you would just need to guess the steam password, and in most cases again people are predictable and use the same pass for everything. If not then you can go to the secret questions.

Of course those simple methods require you to know the user you want access to.

I wouldn't mind having a Steam STS as a 3rd and infinitely more reliable and beefy protection than any user password.

Yeah, I'd buy one!
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I would too. Maybe something to suggest to them smile.gif
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This thread has been going along quite well. Infact, better than I expected it to be.However, let us not ruin it by resorting to condescending comments shall we?


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You done jinxed it now 5entinel tongue.gif
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I felt the need to be overly condescending to him but fought it off because he's a good guy really. I couldn't bring myself to it...
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